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Vighnesh Pande

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Clearly fails WP:GNG, just some routine coverage. Youknow? (talk) 09:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brad Farmer

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There has been a lot of IP nonsense in the history of this article, so while I agree with the IP's PROD, I think this merits an AFD. Farmer has been cited, but since OA isn't sufficient I don't see WP:BIO level coverage Star Mississippi 21:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the sources currently in the article there is borderline notability. Online I have also found quite a bit that can also contribute towards WP:GNG ([1][2][3][4]). I will add what I can to the article. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elijah Kahlenberg

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BLP that reads like an organisation article. Lots of interview and profiles, passing mentions. Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 19:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Scope creep, I am the one who created the article. I have no financial relationship with the subject 66.112.246.20 (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am relatively new to wiki-editting, but happy to make any proper edits to avoid deletion. Just message me with some guided assistance and I will be happy to make changes. StepToMyLeft123 (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and rename to Atidna (following AfD discussion). The article does read a bit WP:PROMO on the organization and could be trimmed, and coverage on Kahlenberg is in the context of coverage about Atidna. There's enough WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG nonetheless. Longhornsg (talk) 02:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of most-followed Kick channels

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WP:NLIST requires the subjects being listed to be discussed as a group in any significant depth by reliable sources. Although some sources have discussed Kick's channels collectively, those are all about the controversies and publicity stunts those creators have caused, not about their number of followers [5] [6] [7]. The abundance of coverage of WP:SENSATIONAL events that were designed by online celebrities for the exact purpose of gathering media attention is rarely a good argument for notability, and I doubt that this topic needs a stand-alone list considering that Kick (service) is already an article (which meets WP:NCORP mostly because of the coverage of said controversies to begin with). Badbluebus (talk) 19:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Some sources here do focus on talking about the numbers of followers of specific big channels of this website (e.g. Amouranth, xQc and Adin Ross), but NLIST requires those creators to be discussed as a group, not individually. And needless to say, celebrity gossip websites and online databases are rarely reliable sources. Badbluebus (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: In addition to the nominator's reasons, this list is unmaintanable. The data in the table comes from a dynamic database that claims to "collect[] and aggregate[] streaming data from Kick.com using statistics and charts" (whatever that means). voorts (talk/contributions) 21:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nasib Piriyev

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Article about a non-notable businessperson and CEO. Previously declined in WP:AFC but moved to mainspace anyway. Sources are just WP:PASSINGMENTIONS and does not cover the subject WP:INDEPTH. Some the sources are regular WP:ROTM. Jamiebuba (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Nasib Piriyev is a notable entrepreneur and business leader whose contributions have been recognized by multiple independent sources. He has significant projects in the fields of Energy, Lifestyle, Capital financing, Culture and Philanthropy, which have been covered by major national and international outlets, including Azertac,HELLO! Magazine, and The New York Times.

His ventures, including AzMeCo, Buta Arts Centre, and Woodford Finance, have had measurable impact on countries including Azerbaijan, United Kingdom and Malta, as reflected in multiple sources. Nasib has also linked to recognitions including the film awards emerged by SONUNCU (The Last One), the work he co-directed. 12eeWikiUser (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavel Abramov

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The subject does not have enough news coverage. Mysecretgarden (talk) 23:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Helaman Jeffs

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No indication of standalone notability. Hardly any coverage of the subject; notability is not inherited. (NPP action) C F A 💬 20:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Guy Finley

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There is no significant coverage of Guy Finley, his work or his teachings in reliable secondary sources. Most of it is blog posts and primary sources. A 2007 discussion ended with a Keep result, but the votes all relied on notability determined by Google hits, a Google featured link and Amazon sales rankings. These are outdated standards. Ynsfial (talk) 17:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This is a great example of a clear WP:NBIO fail. None of the sources are reliable as they are blogs, and I couldn't find any other coverage of this specific Guy Finley (there were other hits but nothing of interest). Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

!vote I think most musicians deserve a chance Natlaur (talk) 23:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ballerina Farm

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I noted that the article has multiple issues, but upon further review, I'm not sure this meets Wikipedia's standards WP:N. Winning regional pageants and having a lot of TikTok followers is not necessarily grounds for meriting an article. Flangalanger (talk) 20:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep https://www.wsj.com/articles/instagram-stars-make-farm-life-look-delightfulminus-the-manure-11629733123 and other references in the article show this passes the general notability guidelines. I click the Wikipedia reference search at the top of the AFD and find even more coverage from this year. https://www.thecut.com/article/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-culture-war-response.html https://www.vogue.com/article/on-ballerina-farm-and-ballets-crushing-lessons-in-femininity https://people.com/who-is-hannah-neeleman-ballerina-farm-controversy-explained-8686193 https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/ballerina-farm-trad-wife-hannah-neeleman-1235072506/ https://www.vulture.com/article/whats-going-on-with-ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman.html Dream Focus 22:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Glamour and the Wall Street Journal are RS, I'm not sure what else you'd look for... We have about a dozen sources, some better than others. We at least have GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 00:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep: Well past WP:GNG. If nominator is still concerned about the article straddling Hannah's career and farm, (per this edit summary [8]) I'd be fine renaming to "Hannah Neeleman" to reflect the focus of most coverage (which is almost entirely focused on her portrayal of tradwife culture, not just TikToks and pageants!). Oh, and I know traffic isn't usually a factor at AfD but for what it's worth, the article has gotten 246,000 page views in the past two months [9], on par with many former US presidents.[10] Crunchydillpickle🥒 (talk) 02:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Passes WP:GNG and has coverage from reliable sources. Di (they-them) (talk) 02:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilham Kadri

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I have not found sufficient reliable, independent news coverage of the topic, which is required by WP or the General Notability guidelines RodrigoIPacce (talk) 10:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete : Fails WP:GNG.--Gabriel (……?) 12:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The article has multiple, reliable sources as references: The Wall Street Journal, WBCSD website, ERT website, Bloomberg, Fortune, Reuters, etc. Ilham Kadri is a notable person within the chemical industry and not only. She was CEO of Solvay and is now CEO of Syensqo, a Belgian multinational science company. She is also an important member of international organizations: executive committee chair of the World Business Council for Sustainable Development (WBCSD), permanent member of the World Economic Forum (WEF), president of the European Chemical Industry Council (CEFIC), and more. Additionally, in 2021, she received the Légion d'honneur; and she is also Doctor Honoris Causa of the University of Namur (Belgium) and EWHA University (Korea). --E.D.G. (talk) 01:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The article meet WP:Notable and reliable independent references Tesleemah (talk) 01:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kira Hagi

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Her acting roles are small or in movies that aren't notable themselves and she hasn't established herself as a notable artist. While there is considerable media attention, much of it feels sensationalistic. I might be overlooking something since I don’t speak Romanian but her notability shouldn't simply stem from her father being a famous footballer (WP:INVALIDBIO) Ynsfial (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. She seems to have notability on her own as an actress, though is hard for me to evaluate the notability of the films she acted in.Anonimu (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it should be kept, she seems notable in her own country Natlaur (talk) 23:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gheorghe_Hagi#Personal_life -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I share the same thoughts, I've seen Kira Hagi's article and honestly I think the Article still have what to be improved, as the movies she acted in, e.g. 167.250.71.19 (talk) 21:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rusty Shoop

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Another dime-a-dozen TV weatherman article, with hardly any content since its 2008 creation that fails to establish why subject is notable. Sources before and after death are primary, with no viable third-party coverage. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 08:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If I were a Palestinian, I would fight those who occupied my land

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No claim to notability, and was clearly created with a political slant. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Might make sense if this was a super well-known phrase that had been analyzed as such in multiple outlets. Instead, the article is about the various times Ayalon expressed this kind of sentiment and notability is very much in doubt. It's also true that the article has serious NPOV problems. Pichpich (talk) 21:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete seems not to be coherent as a standalone article. I think for a quotation like this to have an article it would have to rise to the level of Ich bin ein Berliner or similar. Other than that it probably belongs as part of the biography.Andre🚐 01:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Ami Ayalon could be expanded with material about this, but this standalone page is excessive and slanted. Not sure what the deal with all the italics and quotation marks is either. Reywas92^Talk 02:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is about interviews and human right that says all people have a right to defend their land, Whatever race they are and whatever status they have. This article has an implicit reference to human rights and human equality and is compiled based on clarified documents. championmin^Talk 02:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I don't disagree with what your saying. This just isn't the place to make the point.

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Delete. Random quote. No encyclopedic notability. NOTNEWS and NOTRANDOM apply. gidonb (talk) 13:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No credible claim of notability. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is not a phrase like Sí se puede, with a longstanding legacy/impact. It is likely too soon for an article on this. Given developments and Ami Ayalon's prominence, that COULD change, but I don't see this passing a ten-year test as of today.--Mpen320 (talk) 14:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to lack of significant coverage. I understand the sentiment, but it’s just not notable. Cf. Palestinian law. Bearian (talk) 15:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any chance we could WP:SNOW this? Seems fairly decided. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broaden scope and retitle: The encyclopedic topic here is something like Israeli politician statements of empathy with Palestinians or Israeli acceptance of Palestinian right to resist, and should cover the examples in this source: Massad, Joseph (2024-09-16). "Why Israeli leaders admit if they were Palestinian they would fight for freedom". Middle East Eye., among others:

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Dinesh Kanabar

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A promotional biography of a businessman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Also, Wikipedia is not a resume hosting site WP:NOTRESUME. His company is also nominated for deletion. TCBT1CSI (talk) 08:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 11:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Totally promotional content, clearly failed WP:GNG. Youknow? (talk) 12:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete other users suggesting this is being used for promotion. Monophile 💬 10:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This page has WP:PROMO all over it. The subject did not make any significant achievements noteworthy nationally and internationally to satisfy notability about the subject role as businessman. Fails WP:NBIO. RangersRus (talk) 11:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete. Promotional, but the subject also does not have enough news coverage. There were a few announcement type articles, that may have come from a press release and there was an article about his stamp collection.Mysecretgarden (talk) 23:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darpan Sanghvi

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A promotional biography of a businessman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Also, Wikipedia is not a resume hosting site WP:NOTRESUME. TCBT1CSI (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Boma Obi

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Fails WP:GNG. The only source she was mentioned was this. Aside that nothing else. The rest are just school profile while some of the source like the 4th one has nothing to show about than a home page of the site. Gabriel (……?) 01:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The article calls her "a Fellow of the International Federation of Library Association (IFLA)". I cannot verify this and do not know what it means; maybe the IFLA/OCLC Early Career Development Fellowship? Honorary Fellows of IFLA [11] would be notable through WP:PROF#C3 but she is not listed there, so it must mean something different. The early career one would definitely not pass that criterion; it is a different meaning of fellowship. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The biography has a lot of statements with no source to back them up. Which fails to meet WP:PROOF and could end up be a WP:NOR. Just checked the reference on ref 2 and it says 404 page not found. Gabriel (……?) 05:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing to establish notability here. Fails WP:NACADEMIC, I can't even verify that she's a fellow of the claimed organisations. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails NPROF#3 and #6. Sources available cannot be used to satisfy GNG. Best, Reading of Beans 08:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: An article about a professor that doesn't meet WP:NPROF. Being a so-called Fellow of the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions doesn't justify notability. The publications are very very poor, and can't be used to justify WP:NAUTHOR regardless. This list will tell you the lack of notability (former fellows). Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with the above. University librarian is a position that does not confer automatic notability, WP:PROF notability is not evident, and there are serious verifiability issues here. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Spent a lot of time looking at the IFLA fellows/honor programs: spoiler, could not find her on any list of winners, so cannot verify most significant claim (may be a confusion of member w/ fellow). There are honorary fellows in the society, which I would call a WP:PROF#C3 pass, but she is not on that list. (We're not going to solve today a perennial discussion about whether librarians can qualify via WP:PROF; I think yes, but it doesn't matter here because she doesn't have that award). I think the IFLA Medal would also be a C3 pass. The Scroll of Appreciation and Early Career Fellowships should count towards notability, but are not C3-type/level awards themselves. But none of them can be verifiably applied to Dr. Obi. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 23:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdullah Hashem

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BLP of the founder of a religious sect. The sect itself appears to be notable but it does not seem that the leader himself is. I think a redirect to Ahmadi Religion of Peace and Light would probably be best. Mccapra (talk) 22:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Google searches easily turn up hundreds of high-profile mentions. There are articles from Amnesty International, the UN, and various governments, and dozens of major newspapers that all mention him. Easily meets WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV criteria. For sects with that many media mentions, their founders and leaders would usually also be notable enough. There is also plenty of information about Hashem that would fit well into a standalone article. DjembeDrums (talk) 17:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok which three of these do you think provide the best in-depth coverage? Mccapra (talk) 21:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

De General

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Aside the drug traffic of a thing. I don't see any WP:GNG on this comedian. Wikipedia is not a newspaper per the controversy to make it look like his notable. Other source are interviews and while reading further on the news I had to find out that per the content on the newspaper that he was associated with the journalist per ref2 so therefore not independent. Gabriel (……?) 18:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I am conscious of WP:BIGNUMBER but I see he has 5,500,000 followers on Facebook and 375,000 on YouTube so sources may exist? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nigerian skit makers are well good at buying social media engagement from third party site especially when being paid for an endorsement they try to package their life for more deals. Meanwhile all this platform also support sponsored features like promotion of page, post and all that to generate more engagement. That doesn’t still qualify WP:GNG. That is why most of this people their source come from interviews ( associating with the journalist ) which can’t be no longer independent. You can see User:Celestina007#Analysis on "Nigerian sources" to have more idea about Nigerian ways. If they were more stories like the one of the drug trafficking I would have count him as a notable per Wikipedia guideline but relying on their followers it’s a weak point. Your response are still welcomed. Gabriel (……?) 20:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
De General Did you read this? How is this an interview? If they are seeking for interview, then why was news about their drug traffick published online? All the sources are used are from reliable newspapers in Nigeria Tesleemah (talk) 20:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The comedian is notable per WP:Notable as they have independent sources, the controversy were also written in a neutral manner and I don't see a problem with that. I also added the stub template which means the article can be expanded as more sources come up. But for now, they are ok to stand on Wikipedia.Tesleemah (talk) 22:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stub article doesn’t mean they can’t be AFD. I am judging from the current situation as it is on the main space. People like De General it is only when they cause trouble they gain the newspaper attention that is why he gained one from the drug trafficking which passes independent source & significant. Aside that is there any other source you wanna provide that is independent and significant to proof notability. We can’t just call someone is notable all because they are famous. Gabriel (……?) 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find how they are related to the journalist here or am I missing something? If he truly want them to write for him, how come some news outlets published his negative news? Tesleemah (talk) 20:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you wanna know if you are missing something you can read the article from the link above I dropped earlier which directs to Celestina007. If you can provide 3 to 4 negativity then I will withdraw the AFD or any notable award won by the comedian from reliable source. Gabriel (……?) 20:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read the article and I didn't see where all newspapers are to be condemned, rather he suggested these articles should be vetted. For the negativity I added up to 5 references under the controversy. In fact, going online now, I saw more of the news about his drug trafficking. Tesleemah (talk) 21:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable newspaper are not to be condemned. Nobody says so. Meanwhile aside the drug trafficking you haven’t said anything than that to proof notability. The subject it’s just a Too soon and you saying more future sources are coming up, who knows?. We can’t vouch for any subject progress. Except you have a close connection with the subject then a rethink will be considered. Gabriel (……?) 21:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I already declared on my userpage I don't have close relation with any of the authors I write about nor do I write on behalf of any employer or organisation. I will not appreciate being connected otherwise. Kind regards Tesleemah (talk) 22:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This sufficiently passes GNG, he has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of him. The sources [addresses] the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. I also do not smell any COI or sponsored contents going on, sources seem natural. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC) Delete: On further checks, this is all centred on WP:BLP1E. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I have already checked the sources, unless there are new sources I can’t see, this entry is sourced to interviews and the routine coverages surrounding his arrest. Best, Reading of Beans 13:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Although centered WP:UNDUELY on his arrest by NDLEA, I disagree with Gabriel's statement, that "Nigerians are usually known for buying followers". We all know that he is a celebrity but haven't received mainstream content review and WP:SIGCOV. Like other comedians, it's usually few coverages atleast to meet WP:ENT. Bearing above as well as WP:BIG, I wouldn't oppose having this article as a redirect to List of Nigerian comedians. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maurice Starkey

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Fails WP:GNG. The justification for the creation of the article in 2007 was that Starkey "was one of the last surviving veterans of WWI" even though he joined 8 months after the war ended. Both references (which are now permanent dead links) appear to be from his local paper and one is his obituary. I can't find anything when searching for further references except for a clipping of his wife's obit in the same paper. GPL93 (talk) 17:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per GNG. I don’t see what he did is in any way notable. He joined the armed forces after the Armistice of the Great War and didn’t do anything else except living past 100. Am I missing something? Bearian (talk) 02:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can gather, it used to be that any possible WWI veteran was considered notable by some back when this article was created, even if it was WWI-adjacent at best. Some have yet to have an AfD, such as this one and Robley Rex. There was an AfD a few months ago for a guy who showed up for induction into the Army on November 11, 1918 and was just dismissed because the armistice had been signed earlier that day and an earlier AfD was closed as keep with the reasoning being that he "assumed the risk" and that made him one of the "last surviving WWI veterans". Best, GPL93 (talk) 01:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No credible claim of notability. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 17:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasheel Aukhojee

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Appears to be largely promo for the business. Sources are interviews or profiles of the company. He's a doctor that does at-home visits, which is rather routine. I find nothing in news or other searches that would help us prove notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dale Wood (William Lawrence Hansen)

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There are no secondary sources that provide information about this person; the entire article is based on primary sources and the article itself admits that little is known outside of government copyright documentation. As a result of the lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, the subject of the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As Bill Hansen, he is in the credits as an editor for a variety of television programs and related media that may become Wikipedia articles in the future. Most of all, he has composed music with a variety of notable composers. The other references can likely be found, as requested in the first banner. Starlighsky

Future notability is not a consideration at AfD. And his notability cannot be WP:INHERITED from other composers he may have worked with, or from projects he may have worked on that may (or more likely may not) be notable. What we need is reliable, secondary sources. Can you provide those?? Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will do my best to find those. Starlighsky (talk) 03:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is an abundance of information on ASCAP of his music as well as who performed his music. However, it is challenging to understand.

ACE Repertory (ascap.com) Starlighsky (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ASCAP is a primary source. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. In 2024, everyone knows that we don’t have biographies on every single person who ever lived and worked in the movies or on TV. We are not, nor ever been, a directory of everyone in “The Business” like ASCAP or IMDB. I hope everyone understands why we strive to be more reliable. This page has to be deleted because there’s not enough information about the person, other than a bare minimum of what he edited. According to our policy: “Biography articles should only be created for people with some sort of verifiable notability. A good measure of notability is whether someone has been featured in multiple, independent, reliable sources.” Sorry. Bearian (talk) 10:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do want to add that it is the biography of an editor who went by a pseudonym to write music with notable songwriters. Starlighsky (talk) 23:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The more I research this, the more it seems like the television and film projects could be valuable resources for the Wikipedia community:

As William Lawrence Hansen:

Al Jolson's Old-Time Minstrel Show 1952

William Lawrence Hansen

(Compilation: songs and text)

BMI Television Sketchbook Sketches (1951)

William Lawrence Hansen

& Henry M. Katzberg

19 Celebrated Baritone Solos (1950)

William Lawrence Hansen

(Compilation)

Songs from the film Bambi (1951)

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Melony Munro

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There is no available WP:SIGCOV of this beauty pageant contestant. Munro's name appears in WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the winner of the competitions, but without SIGCOV there's a failure on WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. (Miss International Queen USA itself appears non-notable and as such winning it does not constitute a WP:ANYBIO #3 pass.) I don't see a plausible redirect since Munro has been a third-place contestant in different contests, but open to a suggestion should anyone have one. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. Fails WP:NBASIC. ANYBIO is not applicable. C F A 💬 02:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per in-depth nomination, my BEFORE does not add any sources to make a suitable claim of notability. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I'm not finding anything here which would lead to this subject meeting the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 22:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This article is also failed per Wikipedia:WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Notability (beauty pageant participants), which is still not notable enough for that article. Apipattana (talk) 09:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nyrika Holkar

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A promotional biography of a businesswoman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Majorly citations are WP:ADMASQ, and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. TCBT1CSI (talk) 12:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matilda Whitney Nakayima

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I cannot find sufficient reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:BIO or General Notability Moarnighar (talk) 11:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails all notability guidelines. Ednabrenze (talk) 11:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nelly Agbogu

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Disputed AfC submission. This subject fails WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO by all means. The milestone "Tony Elumelu Entrepreneur" does not inherently confer notability as over a hundred could be in a year. The source analysis below will give you further insight. I also suspect WP:UPE and WP:COI going on.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Vanderwaalforces
https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2024/04/25/lagos-partners-naija-brand-chick-for-hospitality-trade-fair/	We can't be sure of WP:INDEPENDENT when there's no byline in the first place.	While publication is reliable per WP:NGRS, the piece is unreliable because we can't rely on a piece without a byline.	Utterly no, this is more or less a routine coverage.	✘ No
https://guardian.ng/guardian-woman/metrowoman-entrepreneur-of-the-week-nelly-agbogu/	This is an interview.	Ditto.		✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq89nLdKp4U	Fails WP:INDEPENDENT.	Whether some will say TED, the publisher of this video, is reliable or YouTube is an unreliable source, this is unreliable still because it involves the appearance of the subject.	Ditto.	✘ No
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/05/africa/nelly-agbogu-naijbrandchick-intl-cmd/index.html	Reading this piece makes it clear that it is not entirely independent of the subject. The phrase "Courtesy Nelly Agbogu" at the end suggests that she is the source of this information, implying that either she provided it directly or the information is being shared with her permission or acknowledgment.	While the publication is reliable, we can't rely on a piece that fails WP:INDEPENDENCE.	Does not provide the WP:SIGCOV on the subject that we need on Wikipedia.	✘ No
https://thesun.ng/naijabrandchick-offers-game-changing-program-to-help-online-business-owners-dominate-sales-and-influence/	Reading this makes it clear that it fails WP:INDEPENDENT. The piece lacks a byline.	Reliable publication per WP:NGRS but the piece lacks a byline and we can't rely on such, especially when it fails WP:INDEPENDENT.	This isn't about the subject.	✘ No
https://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/over-200-exhibitors-expected-at-tourism-fair/	Unassessed because it does not even apply to the subject at all.	Ditto, and lacks a proper byline while looking like a WP:ROTM.	Ditto, and there is no WP:SIGCOV on the subject either.	✘ No
https://www.tonyelumelufoundation.org/marketing-materials/meet-the-selected-1000-tony-elumelu-entrepreneurs-for-2017	This is not a source or piece used to establish notability in the first place.	Ditto.	Ditto.	? Unknown
https://twmagazine.net/tw-tv/tw-everyday/women-love-nelly-agbogu/	Piece is an interview, thus failing WP:INDEPENDENT.	Ditto.		✘ No
https://www.globalbrandsmagazine.com/how-nelly-agbogu-is-transforming-nigerian-entrepreneurship/	Piece lacks a byline and reading it makes it clear that it is not entirely independent of the subject.	We can't rely on a piece that lacks a byline, plus the publication itself is not reliable because it looks like a part of a news PR system.	Piece does not provide the WP:SIGCOV we need.	✘ No
https://archive.businessday.ng/enterpreneur/article/nelly-agbogus-biggest-challenge-birthed-business-journey/	Piece is an interview, thus failing WP:INDEPENDENT.	Ditto.		✘ No
https://www.cnbcafrica.com/2017/business-of-healthy-living-in-nigeria/	Fails WP:INDEPENDENT as an interview.	Ditto, even though the publication is a reliable one.	Ditto.	✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/06/lagos-govt-naija-brand-chick-continue-to-build-economy-through-tourism/amp/	If this is entirely legitimate, I wonder why it would lack a byline.	No byline, marginally reliable per WP:NGRS.	WP:ROTM or routine coverage.	✘ No
Citation 13: https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2024/06/07/naijabrandchicks-dsi-programme-empowering-women-to-transform-industries/ , Citation 15: https://dailytimesng.com/four-reasons-to-attend-lagos-tourism-nbc-tradefair-nelly/ , Citation 16: https://lagosstate.gov.ng/lasg-reiterates-continuous-support-for-smes-as-lagos-tourism-nbc-3-day-trade-fair-ends/ , Citation 18: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/07/wema-bank-nbc-smedan-to-hold-inter-continental-trade-empower-women/amp/ , Citation 20: https://msmeafricaonline.com/wema-bank-and-smedan-collaborate-to-empower-women-led-msmes-through-naija-brand-chick-trade-fair/ , Citations 21 all through 24.	All these sources are unassessed because they cannot be used to establish a proton of notability on the subject.	Ditto.	Ditto.	? Unknown
Citation 14: https://businessday.ng/sponsored/article/naijabrandchicks-dsi-program-transforms-women-entrepreneurs-into-industry-leaders/ , Citation 19: https://businessday.ng/sponsored/article/fez-delivery-is-the-official-delivery-partner-at-nbc-african-fair-london-2024/	Sponsored pieces.	Ditto.	Ditto.	✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/06/participants-laud-6th-naija-brand-chick-trade-fair/amp/	Lacks byline as usual, ditto.	Ditto.	Fails WP:SIGCOV.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

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Comment: The assessment table created by the nom seems to disregard every source. My use of sources is based onWP:NGRS ensuring that the subject passes WP:GNG. I am even more surprised to see the assessment of CNN and TedX. Marking all the notable newspapers Vanguard, Punch, The Sun etc as unreliable makes me wonder what Nigerian Editors can then use for referencing. Also, kindly look at his talk page to see how our conversations based on his accusation prior to this went (I can’t seem to link to it). I will not vote a keep but would prefer other neutral editors to look into this objectively and vote accordingly. Mevoelo (talk) Mevoelo
Delete: I have confirmed the source analysis table independently and before reading it. I suggest the be a soft delete - without prejudice to future re-creation - because I sense that Nelly Agbogu approaches WP:BIO despite not quite being there, certainly as referenced. A major rewrite and re-referencing at this stage will change my mind, provided the WP:HEY is done sufficiently well. This means that unreferenced so called facts must be removed, and faux references must go, along with the facts they purport to verify. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Thanks for the thorough source analysis, which I concur with, and according to which notability is indeed not established. I get the impression of someone who is 'famous for being famous', which probably at least in part explains the WP:REFBOMBING with flaky sources. Fails WP:GNG. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: The referencing is also rather lacking: I checked out a few of the sources, and the first one (#1) did not verify the DOB against which it is cited; the second (#7) is cited at the end of the 'Biography' and verifies only the very last, and arguably the least significant, statement in that section, with the educational history completely unsupported; and the third (#8) does verify that she worked for Schlumberger, but not what role she held. Which begs the question, if all those details didn't come from the sources cited against them, where did they come from? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source from which got the DOB is here, although it appears I ended up not adding it to the reference list. For the role she held, I cannot specifically state which of the sources but it was part of the info I got while researching. If I’m not mistaken, it was stated on her TedEx Talk. Mevoelo (talk) 13:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The subject fails to meet notability guidelines. Lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources.Mysecretgarden (talk) 16:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : Fails GNG with a tone of promotional. I wonder why the creator had to move it to mainspace after being warned--Gabriel (……?) 19:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sources are mainly routine news. She wasn’t listed as the top 20 entrepreneur by Yahoo Finance; rather by CAPHIQ—an advertising agency that distributed the listicle through GlobeNewswire. No other source seems to be substantial. Best, Reading of Beans 07:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Subject was a nominee for an award and has substantial reliable independent references to meet WP:Notable. Tesleemah 08:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cliff Schwarz

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this previously unreferenced article about a composer, and added one reference. It is a passing mention, however, and I cannot find other coverage. I don't think he meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NCOMPOSER. Tacyarg (talk) 10:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, not notable. Before search returned nothing. Fails WP:GNG or WP:Nmusic. Ednabrenze (talk) 11:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - non-notable, additional web-search didn't help. But the person is non-notable as a musician too. Old-AgedKid (talk) 09:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nima Asgari

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Disputed draftification. I would have returned to draft, but WP:DRAFTIFY dictates that cannot happen, so here we are. Fails WP:NFILMMAKER. References are passing mentions that they have made such and such a film 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear @Timtrent, Thank you for your review. I would like to highlight that Nima Asgari is a well-known documentary filmmaker in Iran, recognized for his significant contributions to environmental and wildlife documentaries. He has won several prestigious awards at international festivals, such as the Jackson Hole Wildlife Film Festival in the USA and the Green Screen Film Festival in Germany. Additionally, he has served as a jury member at events like the Matsalu Nature Film Festival in Estonia. I have updated the article with reliable sources and references that showcase his notable achievements and contributions to the field.

I hope this additional information helps in reconsidering the decision regarding the article. Siavakhsh (talk) 17:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Despite the statement above, the additional references aren't at all useful. This is not a review. Reviews are different. This is a discussion leading to potential deletion. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tej Giri

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Doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, seems WP:TOOSOON. Or Redirect to List of Nepalese actors. nirmal (talk) 02:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Won't the inclusion in the list be challenged if he has no page himself? If the inclusion seems OK, I could support that outcome too, given the so-so coverage he received in Nepalese and the sourced list of films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meet WP:NACTOR according to the given refrences ^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]. for more info

References

^ "फिल्ममा 'ट्वीस्ट' ल्याउने चरित्र मेरो छ : तेज गिरी". www.ratopati.com (in Nepali). Retrieved 2024-09-17.
^ "तेज गिरी". www.ratopati.com (in Nepali). Retrieved 2024-09-17.
^ "तेज गिरी". Himalaya Times. Retrieved 2024-09-17.
^ "अभिनेता तेज गिरी भन्छन्: 'उपहार'मा मेरो अभिनय सुधारिएको छ". nepalkhabar (in Nepali). 2019-06-03. Retrieved 2024-09-17.

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Judith Iwu

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Doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Acting non notable films isn't part of the guideline and statements of words including interviews, aren't part of WP:SIGCOV, hence my retainable for deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Keep: The page meets Wikipedia standard and if there be any need for improvement, then it can be stated or worked on rather than nominating for outright deletion. I appreciate the effort to keep our Wikipedia clean.
Dreamlightwriters (talk) 06:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : All I just see here are interviews mhen.--Gabriel (……?) 19:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you open the reference links? cause the articles here are not interviews. Kindly take time to open the links and go through the articles to verify your opinion on this. Thanks. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 05:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone through the links and they still can't change my thought on the reason why I suggested a delete. I will also advise as a new editor you have to avoid Wikipedia Sockpuppetry with the aim to save an article because it violates the policy. Gabriel (……?) 02:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sources present does not meet the general notability criteria. The sources are laughable to say the least. Best, Reading of Beans 08:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please kindly go through the sources to verify your comment, just looking through the titles are not enough to make claims on it. Thanks. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Just yet another article backed up by disappointing pieces from Vanguard. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you be more explicit about your comment and claim, thanks. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 05:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback, I beg to disagree, not sure what you mean by acting non notable films, because from the filmography you should be able to tell notable films the subject acted in, some can be found on IMDb, she has acted alongside other veterans in the Nigerian film industries which you can see in the filmography. Also that the references added are interviews are false, kindly take time to open the links and read through them to verify your claim.

The subject, has been actively acting for 16 years, with notable movies, only veterans in the Nollywood industry would speak on an issue and it will be news, random actors don't have such privileges. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 05:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~: The page meets Wikipedia standard and if there be any need for improvement, then it can be stated or worked on rather than nominating for outright deletion. I appreciate the effort to keep our Wikipedia clean. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 06:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Keep: [12], [13], [14],[15] and [16] are reliable that can illustrate notability criteria as such it pass GNG
102.91.72.40 (talk) 09:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I am voting to keep because i did not see reasons why the page should be deleted and the points raised here are not cogent enough to warrant a delete. Unfortunately, i had to go through articles created by those calling for delete and i did find worst pages that should not find its space here, some with one reference source and i wonder why same persons should be interested in having a more better page deleted than the ones they created. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.211.59.71 (talk) 19:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have gone through the five links. As a Nigerian, those links are reliable but they still didn't solve the issue why the nominator nominated the article per the reason. As stated "interviews, aren't part of WP:SIGCOV". And the content on the news were looking like close connection to the subject as seeing most of the journalist just talking of how she got started and not an event that happened which made her known to the public. Gabriel (……?) 02:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Gabriel for taking time to go through the five links, in total there are eleven reliable links in the page and only one of them has to do with an interview. Not all notable persons especially in the entertainment industry has lots of scandals enough to put them always in the news, there are some who just get their works done and earn their flowers in the industry. There are many Actors and Actresses whose works still speaks but there are no significant coverage of them and that is why you still don't find them on Wikipedia, that still does not mean they are not notable, the industry still can not do without them or their inputs on issues that affects the industry. You can as well go through the remaining six links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamlightwriters (talk • contribs) 20:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well understood your point and you are right but this is Wikipedia and it has its own rules and regulations. All because they are famous doesn’t warrant a call for an article here on Wikipedia. If the entertainment industry can’t do without them that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Except it passes the WP:GNG. Besides I’m a big fan of Nollywood movies so I haven’t even come across such actress Judith Iwu to even vouch that she’s famous. I know a lot of people like Chinedu Ikedieze, Osita Iheme and many more. This people being mentioned has appeared on a lot of notable movies and won a lot of notable awards. What has this actress who has been nominated for an AFD acquired to proof that she’s notable such as notable movies, notable awards aside the news paper just talking about her biography only which still doesn’t meet the significance coverage from independent source and not just reliable. If you can provide I believe @SafariScribe and other editors will have a rethink. Gabriel (……?) 23:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This now makes me believe that this is a paid work especially when the editor who wants this article to remain, WP:BLUDGEONS the AFD process. After this was declined at AFC, the same editor moved the draft to article space. This is to show you that this work is a paid one, and I was thinking if the payer knows that they are not yet notable before employing or seeking someone to create a Wikipedia page. Above is an observation, which is totally off from accusations. The first source is without doubt independent of the subject, well covered, and from a reliable source, however, the tone of the writing shows that it's a paid publication. Same applies to the second source. The third is an WP:INTERVIEW, and interviews doesn't show notability. These sources, [17] and [18] aren't available but following the link's name, they're lso interviews. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree subject needs to be improved especially as regards neutrality and weavil words needs to be removed, however they are notable enough to stand Tesleemah Talk 07:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine of Bosnia, Grand Princess of Hum

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An article ostensibly about a princess but in reality entirely about her husband and brother. The dates and places of birth and death are pure poppycock: literally nothing is known about her. No historian ever has put together two sentences about her. WP:GNG failed. Surtsicna (talk) 18:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete but on grounds different from the nominated ones. Before the 18th Century, rarely was a woman ever named in sources without naming her male relatives. There’s only one source, and that is tantamount to original research, which is my biggest problem. Bearian (talk) 21:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The argument is not that her male relatives should not be mentioned. It is that the article should not be entirely about them. There is nothing to say about her. Surtsicna (talk) 21:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ijaz Hussain Batalve

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Article is not fit for main article space - too many problems with language, grammar, style, etc., but Draft:Ijaz Hussain Batalve already exists. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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article is good enough and unique...grammar or language may be corrected...Article should be retained. Mottoo99 (talk) 16:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So fix the grammar and language first, in the draft article, then move it to mainspace? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Bastun, as you said, a draft exist for this, so why not put in a history merger template before an AFD? Even if it goes through not, at least give it a try! Intrisit (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On which version? One contains at least one copyright violation (now removed)? Simpler to just have the draft to work on, then have that go through AFC? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I drafted it because I had concerns that it might not easily meet WP:N. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is still a famous and most respected personality of Asia adding his profile on Wikipedia is very much appropriate and knowledgeful for Wikipedians and otherwise. His contributions deserve to be appreciated by Wikipedia etc. Emmay33 (talk) 09:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is saying there can't be an article. The problem is the language and grammar are currently too poor to publish. The article can be improved in draft space, then get moved to main article space. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep he was a notable lawyer and a law professor per some of the sources in the article. AFD is not a place for article cleanup but to delete articles falling below notability thresh hold. What this article needs is cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's editorial guidelines. Piscili (talk) 14:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Notability is not at issue. The subject is absolutely worthy of an article. Agreed, AfD is not a place for article cleanup. Draftspace is. This article is not currently fit for article mainspace though - a lot of what's there makes literally no sense - sorry to be harsh, but some is just gibberish. But the article can't be moved to draft space because there is already a draft article there, and nobody bothered going through WP:AFC, they just copied and pasted back to a mainspace article. If the article is kept, I will be removing a lot of the content that makes no sense, the unsourced, and the hagiographic and unencyclopedic. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Comeaux

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Man doing his job. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 10:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BucketSky10 (talk) 17:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although I'd agree that simply doing the job alone does not indicate significance, I'd contend that the area of impact and subject matter constitute significance. Comeaux oversees/implements the DEA's policies for over 16 million people throughout Texas. This is particularly significant considering the hot button topic of the opioid epidemic--especially so as fentanyl coming through Texas is a large focus of nationwide policy and debate. For notoriety, the Houston Chronicle (one of the largest newspapers in the nation) did a piece solely focused on him and CBS and NBC affiliates in Houston (KHOU and KPRC respectively) have also featured him for interviews. BucketSky10 (talk) 17:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BucketSky10: Interviews don't count toward establishing notability. If you have sources, now is the time to post them here. WP:THREE is the formal standard for establishing. Post three WP:SECONDARY sources to prove its notable. scope_creep^Talk 17:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BucketSky10 (talk) 00:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are my three: 1, 2, 3 . I appreciate your time throughout this process. BucketSky10 (talk) 00:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Looks at these references:

Ref 1 [19] This is all taken from an interview.

Ref 2 [20] This is a passing mention.

Ref 3 [21] This is another interview style article.

The problem with these is that the conversation detail comes from Comeaux himself. There is no WP:SECONDARY sources, people talking to other people about Comeaux (secondary) in detail (in-depth) who don't know Comeaux(independence) that prove he is notable. All the currrent reference come from Comeaux himself. He is essentially non-notable. scope_creep^Talk 08:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melvin Storer

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Being mistakenly reported killed during the attack on Pearl Harbor doesn't make this sailor notable (unless he was supposedly killed by the Germans). Clarityfiend (talk) 02:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete as WP:BIO1E, despite some coverage. Mztourist (talk) 05:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Yes non-notable person. Xegma(talk) 06:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Redirect coverage passes GNG: The Oregon Daily Journal 2 3, The Oregonian 2, Herald and News ~~and also meets WP:ANYBIO with the Asiatic–Pacific Campaign Medal. 1~~ but also a case of WP:BIO1E. The Attack on Pearl Harbor could be an appropriate place for a redirect, but the subject does have enough WP:SIGCOV at Newspapers.com to justify a standalone article.

Filmforme (talk) 06:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A low-level decoration does not confer notability. Only the Medal of Honor, Victoria Cross, or multiple second-level awards do that. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Literally millions of Americans were awarded the Asiatic–Pacific Campaign Medal. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying. What about the Bronze Star? Filmforme (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a blanket campaign level medal, but still well below the ANYBIO line which is generally the highest military honor awarded by the subject's nation. Additionally, it appears he was not actually awarded the Bronze Star Medal but rather had bronze service stars on his campaign medal which denote how many specific operations or campaigns participated in within the overall Pacific campaign. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:BIO1E. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG. He was involved in two events: the attack on Pearl Harbor and the salvage effort (which I consider deserves its own article even though it has not got one). WP:BIO1E is a guideline that provides advice but does not trump WP:SUMMARY, which says that sections of long articles can be spun off into their own articles. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He didn’t play a notable role in either event, though. And it is still an event and the aftermath of the event. All we have is quick (1-2 paragraph) snippets in local newspapers (ie: "local man re-enlists") except for his mistakenly being reported dead for six days (which still garnered only local coverage). This was incredibly common at the time. Best, GPL93 (talk) 01:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete An ordinary sailor, doing ordinary things.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have been updating the article, including more information I've found at Newspapers.com. There's no question the subject passes WP:GNG, but it is my observation that some may not agree of the reason why he was written about, and not that this isn't a notable topic according to WP:NEXIST.

Storer was not the only one who was considered lost in the attack and later found alive. But it should be noted that his family and home state of Oregon was not notified he survived for weeks, only after they had a funeral service involving Portland's Mayor. The ordeal of Storer initially being lost during a heavily covered historic event is what likely triggered the WP:SIGCOV from media once it turned out he had survived. In addition, he has a first hand account and unique perspective of his own experience, and his involvement with the salvage afterwards.

As for WP:BIO1E, this is a unique case and I agree with @Hawkeye7 that Attack on Pearl Harbor is a long article to consider a redirect. The subject meets WP:NBASIC, though a shorter article covering Storer and others in similar circumstances would be suitable too. WP:PSEUDO applies here and there is coverage on the subject unrelated to the attack: to their expertise as a diver searching for people that were believed to have drowned. 1 2 3 –Filmforme (talk) 22:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Rather routine military career (that is rather briefly described here) and after the war doesn't seem to be much more notable. Reported as passing away Pearl Harbour, then surviving is more of a trivia item than a notable item for wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 01:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aaron Buerge

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Notable for only being the main bachelor of The Bachelor (American TV series) season 2, the target that the nominated page should be redirected to. (The Bachelor (American TV series) is an alternative, but I prefer just season-specific.) His activities outside the series don't measure up to make WP:BIO1E (if not WP:BLP1E) inapplicable. Furthermore, the second season of The Bachelor may not have been a major event as it is perceived or marketed to be, despite good or decent viewership. If the cited rules don't apply, how about WP:PAGEDECIDE instead? George Ho (talk) 21:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nom's comment – In case of no further input, WP:BIODELETE should apply, whatever the outcome shall be. --George Ho (talk) 00:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, yep notable for one thing. Slatersteven (talk) 18:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to where? Possibly The Bachelor wouldn't work here. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about The Bachelor (American TV series) season 2, where he was the main character of the season? —George Ho (talk) 05:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per the nomination. Slatersteven (talk) 12:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:ENT. Being a manager/participant of a TV show/series doesn't show notability, hence redirect to The Bachelor (American TV series) season 2 per ATD. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chimele Usuwa Abengowe

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Firstly, the content on ref 1 which is a magazine can't be verified by any reliable source same as ref 5. Ref 2 and ref 5 are also the same link on the article current state. The only source here was this which just only talk about his death. Ref 7 which is a YouTube video showcasing a church service cant be use as a source neither any YouTube link can be use as a source. Ref 3 which just only mentioned his name as part of the medical list and not like he was talked about. Subject just totally fails WP:GNG. Gabriel (……?) 01:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Clearly a much respected citizen but WP:NOTMEMORIAL Xxanthippe (talk) 01:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
thank you for your response. Please note that @Gabriel601 has been trolling my articles and marking them for deletion. There's an established case of "nominations in bad faith here". Cfaso2000 (talk) 05:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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welcome again for marking another article of mine for deletion. After the last episode, you should have recused yourself from my articles and leave other editors to go through and arrive at their own conclusions. Cfaso2000 (talk) 05:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can't verify certain details about this person like the date of birth and death. My search for the various information yielded "result not found" and I was wondering about the origin of other information like the award, OFR. After all these, I can say that the article doesn't meet WP:NPROF and WP:SIGCOV. Also, Gabriel's source analysis is thorough and well-documented. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Due to being a recipient of one of Nigeria's highest national awards (WP:ANYBIO The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor) National Honour of Member of the Order of the Niger (OON) by President Olusegun Obasanjo on the 16th November, 2000 - now sourced to Federal Republic of Nigeria Official Gazette. (Msrasnw (talk) 09:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
The link you provided still doesn’t have his name on it that the president honors him with the title of OON. I opened the link used the control+F to find and paste his name still zero not found. Subject still fails WP:GNG. Gabriel (……?) 10:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It has on page 605 as the third entry.... under the heading OFFICER OF THE ORDER OF THE NIGER (OON) Professor C. U. Abengowe ... Abia
  - https://archive.gazettes.africa/archive/ng/2000/ng-government-gazette-dated-2000-10-09-no-69.pdf Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 11:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    @Msrasnw, winning an award is a WP policy/guide that WP:SIGCOV may exist for an article. Oppositely, there isn't any coverage for this article, hence doesn't meet our general notability guidelines. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think there is significant coverage in Nigerian media for eg in an important newspaper Independent Nigeria ... we have Emejor, Chibuzor (2023) NGO Immortalises Prof Abengowe, Featured News, Independent Sep 4 [22]
    - and Vision Africa (2013) Professor Abengowe Chimele Usuwa: Pragmatic Icon In The Field Of Teaching And Guidance, Profiles, Vision Africa 08/04 [23] And here (https://archive.upf.org/united-nations/international-day-of-peace/2013/5312-conference-in-abuja-on-education-and-national-development) he is giving a keynote at a serious conference. And there is lots more. I think it is shame that too many Wikipedia editors are too willing to delete what are to my mind clearly notable people that can with a little effort be reasonably sourced. (Msrasnw (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
      Vision Africa is a non notable platform. Upf is a non notable platform. There is till nothing notable about this man as per Wikipedia notability. If he was that respected a lot of news papers would have carried his news death. But nothing rather than just one news that’s not even all about his death. Gabriel (……?) 13:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Subject satisfies notability guidelines as have been severally outlined above. Cfaso2000 (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One source ain't enough to justify notability. Other editors needs to be aware ‘Cfaso2000’ was the article creator. Gabriel (……?) 11:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep : Subject meet WP:Notable and there are enough references to back it up Tesleemah Talk 08:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilgar Ibrahimoglu

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An article with no encyclopedic value and for PR purposes only. Redivy (talk) 15:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Is this the same Ilgar Ibrahimoglu who was the subject of coverage about his detention in Azerbaijan? [24] [25] [26] This might contribute to notability. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shaykh Ashabul Yamin

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Clearly, the case of WP:BLP1E involves sources that are based on a single event, his death. If significant sources from before his death can be found, then the article can be kept. GrabUp - Talk 06:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete non-notable person. Xegma(talk) 13:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. But the nominator indicated the afd for WP:BLP1E policy, I don’t think that this is applicable in this case, article subject isn’t a living person. However, the matter is WP:BIO1E.–TANBIRUZZAMAN (💬) 22:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. Well with that logic, we should also consider deleting similar articles like Abu Sayed and Mir Mugdho, as they cover the same event. I suggest moving this article to draft space and revising it according to WP:NPOV guidelines.–bruno (talk page) 11:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of people who died in the July massacre. Yamin was not notable before his death in the 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement. Tanbiruzzaman is correct that the relevant guideline is WP:BIO1E. No doubt that's what GrabUp meant, people frequently confuse it with the similar WP:BLP1E. The reform movement is a highly significant event, but how important was Yamin's death in it? Hundreds died, was Yamin's death special, did it change the course of the movement? Nothing in the pseudo-biography suggests his death was pivotal. Perhaps in years to come, as secondary sources analyze the movement they will conclude that his role in it (dying) was large, but unless and until they do so, a separate article about him is inappropriate. The other biographies that Bruno pnm ars brought up deserve scrutiny, but at least make a credible claim that their deaths were in some way instrumental. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Swaroop Puranik

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Doesn't meet WP:NDIRECTOR or WP:FILMMAKER. Awarded or recognised by the governor doesn't highly show any impact tones career and fails WP:ANYBIO. While we expect to see notable films he directed, there appears bit promotional and likely COI creation.

Citing unreliable sources (WP:REFBOMB for a non notable film, Journey of a Queen, shows no WP:SIGCOV for his major work, hence doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have removed the promotional content from this article now its clear Dgtrox (talk) 19:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Appears to be resume and WP:PROMO based page. Fails notability. The entrepreneur and his achievements are not notable that is significant, interesting, or unusual enough to be worthy of notice. RangersRus (talk) 15:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shwan Attoof

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Doesn't meet WP:ACTOR, as there were few or no sources showing notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shwan is well known film actor/director in Kurdistan/Iraq, the article could be stay. I added serval new references. Kushared (talk) 06:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which references? Those aren't reliable per WP:RS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anikka Albrite

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Fails GNG and ENT. Not opposed to a redirect to the AVM performer of the year but otherwise there is not enough independent reliably sourced information to build a proper article. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete: Tiny amount of coverage [27], basically an interview and [28]. Just not enough coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 22:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to AVN Award for Female Performer of the Year#2010s (seems indeed totally warranted): ATD suggested by the nominator (AVN, not AVM, btw). Absolutely opposed to deletion of this BLP. (I would also support a Keep) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC) Changing to Keep in light of the mainstream sources presented.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: consistently featured in the list of the top female stars of the industry, as reported by mainstream media outlets in the following years: 2013[29], 2014[30], 2015[31], 2016[32]. Also part of the first married couple to win AVN male and female performers of the year award simultaneously in 2015 [33]. Rim sim (talk) 17:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of this is a policy basis for the article. Can you link to actual sources Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Links updated Rim sim (talk) 13:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: the subject is the mainstay of an article[34] on the full-fledged animated Virtual reality scannings, a still nascent tech that can be used to make human avatars and keep them immortal in the virtual world. Rim sim (talk) 06:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New York Post is a tabloid and not a reliable source. So this is irrelevant. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:RSPSS, NYP is reliable source for entertainment related news. Rim sim (talk) 13:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep : The fact she has won a lot of notable awards and reliable source to that shows notability.--Gabriel (……?) 18:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: she's covered under the list of 'Screen Actors' of Czech-American ancestry with a biographical passage about her life in the book Encyclopedia of Bohemian and Czech-American Biography - Volume 2 [35]. She's also quoted in the book Bodies of Work: The Labour of Sex in the Digital Age[36], and is mentioned in the book The Pornography Industry: What Everyone Needs to Know[37]. The article needs some improvement and can be kept as the subject is notable enough. Rim sim (talk) 07:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: the encyclopedia was published by a self-publishing house, the other two books were by major publishing houses. Rim sim (talk) 11:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moza Sultan Al Kaabi

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I don't believe she meets the notability criteria, as almost all sources only mention her death in a car accident. And the page was created three days after her death. فيصل (talk) 15:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack significant coverages about her works and yes maximum sources are about her death. Xegma(talk) 17:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject of the article is notable per WP:ONEEVENT - the first Emarati woman to become an orthopedic surgeon.--jojo@nthony (talk) 03:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Comment made after relisting.) Before I assess the sources myself, I must point out that this is not how ONEEVENT works. First, ONEEVENT says that people notable for only one event are generally not notable. Second, ONEEVENT applies to people notable for a single event (which could also be notable), not to people notable for a single achievement. Being the first female Emirati orthopedic surgeon is a claim to notability; sources are still needed to show that she is notable. Toadspike [Talk] 13:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Steve Tappin

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The subject appears to be a non-notable individual, lacking significant coverage in reliable sources that establish notability. Most of the sources cited in the article and on the talk page are passing mentions, interviews, primary, routine coverage, or hearsay, none of which provide in-depth coverage. The article fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, and WP:NAUTHOR. Additionally, off-wiki evidence suggests potential undisclosed paid editing and sockpuppetry. GSS ^💬 13:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep in the talkpage of this article there are lot of significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 03:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Xegma Do you really research on topics or just go on voting 'delete' at AfDs? Did you check the talk page of this article? There are significant coverage in China Daily and The Telegraph and all are present in the talk page. Even nominator failed to do WP:BEFORE. Unless it is a UPE issue, there is no reason to delete. It is a Keep. Hitro talk 21:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The articles you are referring to seem to be paid promotional pieces, structured as interviews, which often include sections like "bio" and "CV" at the end of the article—something rarely found in genuine editorial news. It's a common feature of sponsored content. Additionally, the Telegraph article lacks an author byline, which raises questions about whether it was even produced by their editorial team. GSS ^💬 03:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The China Daily article, the one I am referring to, was written by Andrew Moody. I hope you are not implying that Andrew Moody, a renowned journalist and recipient of the Friendship Medal (China) from the Chinese government, was just an editor of paid promotional pieces.

The Telegraph article, which is almost 16 years old, appears to be written by Dominic White and must have been published on the old format of the website of The Telegraph which was significantly different from current one. Please check the other articles of same years, you won't find author bylines.

Apart from those, I also see WP:SIGCOV in this, a South China Morning Post article.

I see that this BLP article was created on Wikipedia in 2008 and being nominated for deletion now due to some recent UPE activities. IMO, it's more appropriate to restore the best version of the article rather than delete it entirely. If you have a case that this has been a UPE product from the start then I'll rest my case. Hitro talk 15:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HitroMilanese, I respect your expertise, but I must point out that all the articles you've mentioned are essentially interviews, which do not meet the standards of independent sources required by WP:GNG. For instance, the China Daily article explicitly states in the second paragraph, "Steve Tappin says," while the Telegraph article includes phrases like "But Tappin, whom I meet" and "Talking to him, it almost seems..." Similarly, the South China Morning Post piece follows the same pattern. These sources rely heavily on hearsay and fail to meet the criteria for WP:IS.

Regarding the absence of a byline in The Telegraph, I managed to find many articles, both older and from the same time period (even 2008), with proper author attribution, such as this. It's unfair to say the byline is missing simply because it could have been published in an older format of the website, where bylines were not prominently displayed.

Additionally, the article was created by a single-purpose account (SPA) with no contributions outside this topic. Given the subject's history of hiring freelancers to update his article, it is highly likely that the SPA either has a conflict of interest or was hired to create this article. GSS ^💬 06:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment : I am posting on behalf of Steve Tappin, so I assume my vote would not count, but I just wanted to bring to your attention that Mr. Tappin meets the criteria for WP:AUTHOR, WP:BASIC and WP:ENT. As WP:AUTHOR, if there are multiple reviews of his work he would qualify. Below are some links to his book reviews
https://www.managementtoday.co.uk/books-special-steve-tappin-tells-us-secret/article/845739 - book review
https://timesnewsgroup.com.au/geelongtimes/living/renowned-authors-to-share-secrets-on-personal-development/ - Book review
https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-85788-513-2 - The Secrets of CEOs - Book Review
https://kimtasso.com/book-review-the-awareness-code-the-secrets-to-emotional-empowerment-for-incredible-leadership-by-wayne-linton-and-steve-tappin/ - Book Review (Even tough this is a blog, the original article is from February 2022 edition of Professional Marketing magazine, as stated
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/m/eduonline/2009-11/23/content_9103252.htm - Book Review, contains quotations, but about half the article is original journalist commentary

In addition WP:BASIC states that “If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability;” Tappin has over 40 articles online as you can also see some posted in the tal page. Also the following article is in depth:

https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/vGunLo5swZ5apoTkVPeZcK/Steve-Tappin--The-author-spills-his-secrets.html - very indepth

Finally, as per WP:ENT he would qualify because he was the host of BBC TV show CEO GURU for a long time - over two years - and has been on at least 30 episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuzzsoth (talk • contribs) 23:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep the book reviews above and ones I found seem good for him to pass WP:NAUTHOR. Some of the other stuff looks promising but I haven't evaluated that as much. I found some more sources on ProQuest.

hysterically, one of the sources accuses him of having his wikipedia entry edited. We have come full circle PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, PARAKANYAA, which one is that? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz It's from the Evening Standard (admittedly a British tabloid, so take with a grain of salt, but I think it's funny), 24 October 2012:

"STEVE Tappin -- an erstwhile headhunter and one-time author who now styles himself as a "CEO coach", was caught out three years ago by a City blog which wondered if he had sexed up his Wikipedia entry.

The collaboratively-edited online encyclopedia then stated that Tappin was a mentor to some of the top names in British business including Sir Terry Leahy and Andy Haste -- then bosses of Tesco and RSA, respectively -- only for the companies to quickly distance themselves from Tappin's claims. The entry was subsequently toned down." Then it goes on to say something about the book and his Twitter. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. They are probably referring to the editor Fuzzsoth who commented here and on the article talk page and on several user talk pages. I see so many articles like this about "consultants", I'm surprised to see the support for this one but the consensus is, what it is. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject meets WP:NAUTHOR based on presented sources and meets WP:ENT as a host of past TV show on BBC.Mysecretgarden (talk) 23:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Neves (poker player)

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Non-notable person, lacking WP:SIGCOV outside specialist poker websites. Does not appear to have won any notable, major tournaments. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not notable. Alon9393 (talk) 20:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak, weak keep. Granted there's not much WP:SIGCOV, but two million-dollar cashes, including a win in a big WSOP event (8703 entrants = notable major tournament), are nothing to sneeze at. Otherwise, redirect to 2024 World Series of Poker. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has won a notable major tournament. PsychoticIncall (talk) 04:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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