Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dingle Marathon (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect‎ to Dingle#Sport. Material remains under the redirect for a merger, if needed Star Mississippi 18:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It exists, and there is local coverage. I can't see the coverage though to meet WP:N. There were no comments at the 2011 AfD, so it was closed as no consensus. Boleyn (talk) 18:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, thank you for nominating the article because it prompts us to improve it. I added three new references to the article. The references demonstrate news coverage outside of Irish markets, plus book coverage in "Epic Runs of the World". There is enough WP:GNG coverage for this event. --Habst (talk) 13:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdraw nomination Habst succeeded where I failed, and has shown it is notable. Thanks for your hard work, Boleyn (talk) 20:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Or, perhaps, redirect to Dingle#Sport. I note that, of the three references recently added, one was already in place (in the weekly local The Kerryman newspaper). Of the other two, the entry in Epic Runs of the World is perhaps 100 words long and is not what one would call in-depth coverage. I don't know anything about the The Garden Island source (a local Hawaiian paper?), but the piece itself seems like a relatively ROTM travelogue submission. Personally, after removing the uncited (and frankly promotional) editorial some years ago, and seeking to address the total lack of refs, I had noted that I could not find any substantive coverage. Hence, while I was able to remove the "no refs" tag, I could not justify removing the "notability not established" tag. And, frankly, am still not convinced that notability is definitively established. Hence cannot support a "keep". And would recommend a delete or (as an AtD) redirect. Guliolopez (talk) 20:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Guliolopez, thank you for responding and for verifying the sources. I added two more book citations to the article, including one indicating a notable winner of the 2009 edition. I think it would help if we had a German-speaking Wikipedian to translate one of the sources, as it seems I can't do machine translation on it. What do you think of the new information? --Habst (talk) 10:32, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi @Habst, with thanks for the follow-up and additional info (and in short), I think the new sources are trivial passing mentions. The first source, a biography of Gaelic footballer Weeshie Fogarty, mentions the subject just once. In a trivial passing mention about race-runner John Griffin. ("In 2009 at the age of fifty John [Griffin] won the Dingle Marathon"; Nothing more. Nothing about the marathon itself. This is the very definition of a trivial passing mention.) The German work appears to be a reprint/republishing of this running/travelogue blog. Again, not something that I could describe as in-depth coverage. It is also published by Books on Demand - a self-publishing company. And, even if it did cover the subject in depth (and I don't see that it does), would fall within the scope of WP:SELFPUB guidelines. Guliolopez (talk) 10:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Guliolopez, thank you for looking into these sources and thank you for correcting my misread of the My Beautiful Obsession book. I added some more sources into the article, including an archived page about what Runner's World had to say about the race, and some details about the ultra marathon course. What do you think about the new sources? --Habst (talk) 16:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi. I don't really rank the harrietscottage.com source very highly at all. It appears to be a small Airbnb style property in Dingle that has simply (partially?) republished this 2016 article from The Kerryman newspaper. Which, again, is local coverage. And, in this case, coverage by the event's titular sponsor. "The Kerryman" writing about "The Kerryman Dingle Marathon". Which is hardly independent coverage. Obviously so when you read the flowery tone of the article. In terms of what the original source states (that Runner's World "recently named" the event in a list of the "the 52 best races on earth") that would perhaps contribute to notability. However, I haven't been able to verify it myself. And, if it was the case in 2016, I note that the event does not appear (no longer appears?) on the 2018 edition of the "The 50 best running races in the World"... Guliolopez (talk) 16:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Guliolopez, thank you again for the source check. I have edited the article again, and provided another source, this time from Runner's World directly. I think that this coverage, if combined with the Epic Runs of the World book content, demonstrates notability. What do you think? --Habst (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and Redirect to Dingle#Sport. The sources are marginal at best, and Guliolopez has made a convincing case that this event does not quite meet WP:GNG. Jfire (talk) 16:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Jfire, thank you for responding. What do you think about the new Runner's World source I added since your comment? Another angle to approach this article would be to write about notable winners, as I can find some sources reporting to that effect as well. --Habst (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect. The Runners World piece is 3 sentences in a listicle for upcoming (in 2017) marathons in the British Isles, by what seems to be a contributor rather than a staff member (no other publications). The Lonely Planet blurb is similarly brief and travel guide-esque (puffy unencyclopedic descriptions). No reason to have this as a separate article.

JoelleJay (talk) 22:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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