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Hello there, thanks for your contributions. We are having a conversation about the MLB maps you added to the MLB season pages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Archive 50#Recent maps added to MLB season articles. It has been moved to Expansion of Major League Baseball, 1961 Major League Baseball expansion, 1962 Major League Baseball expansion, 1969 Major League Baseball expansion, 1977 Major League Baseball expansion, 1993 Major League Baseball expansion, and 1998 Major League Baseball expansion. Again, thank you for your contributions. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 06:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a discussion at the WikiProject Baseball talk page regarding your recent addition of the wild card standings tables to the MLB season pages. Your feedback is welcome. isaacl (talk) 20:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy. I think you should practice bringing your ideas to WP:BASEBALL & seek a consensus for them, there. Rather than boldly making additions to MLB season & MLB team season pages. GoodDay (talk) 20:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I noticed you created 50 MLB team map templates (such as Template:MLB Team Maps (1966–1967)), but you've not used them on any article. Unused templates eventually get sent to WP:TfD and deleted. Please actually use them where you intended to. Gonnym (talk) 12:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were being used. I WP:BOLD added them to every MLB season page, until it was reverted. Discussions seemingly died out quickly, as I need to make sandbox's for other users to see how these templates can fit into articles. Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 13:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that makes more sense now. Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any update on the maps? Template:MLB Team Maps (1953) and ~30 others are still unused. Gonnym (talk) 07:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment no... it seems discussions died out (again). I'll need to stir up discussion again. I know some users are waiting on an RfC from me regarding the addition of content to MLB season pages, which includes the maps. (I actually need to mass-edit the maps and shrink them a little before the RfC). Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 14:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Spesh531! Thank you for your edits to 1993 Major League Baseball expansion. It looks like you've copied or moved text from History of the Miami Marlins into that page, and while you are welcome to re-use the content, Wikipedia's licensing requires that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. If you've copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 23:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will take note of that next time I copy! Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 23:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I made a number of fixes to the File:History of NATO enlargement.svg file on the Commons. I didn't touch the color or bodies of water though, I just went about fixing the validation errors I mentioned before and aligning the years and the year boxes, which hadn't lined up for a while, and had started getting slightly wider in 2009. There were also layers that were unnecessary if just put in a certain order, a remnant of File:Blank map of Europe (with disputed regions).svg. I do have one question, is the lack of a border between East Germany and the rest of Germany intentional or an oversight? I'm happy with it either way, but will fix if it's an oversight. And thanks again for leading the charge to get this to some consensus colors. -- Patrick Neil, _oѺ^∞/Talk 17:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was intentional! A hard border implies West and East Germany are still separate countries (at least it does to me). And thanks for fixing the validation errors (I guess the Blank Map of Europe needs to be re-validated? I'm unsure). And thanks for fixing the years! I had copied it over from a previous version (which one? I don't remember 🙃) and had only slightly adjusted the 3 in 2023, as it was coded differently than every other digit.

And it's no problem!! Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 14:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from adding total runs "tiebreakers" from MLB rivalry results templates. This tiebreaker is not sanctioned by MLB or either team involved in most cases (there are limited exceptions, such as the Lone Star Series which awards a trophy to the winning team including a stipulation for a total runs tiebreaker). This information should only be added with references showing the two specific teams officially recognize this as a tiebreaker. Frank Anchor 18:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just an FYI - a broad consensus was reached a couple years ago that the Federal League standings, stats, etc., do belong on the 1914 and 1915 MLB articles, so it probably needs to be moved back. MLB officially recognizes the Federal League and counts its stats as part of player's MLB career stats. Further discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_48#Federal_League_records_in_the_1914_%26_1915_Major_League_Baseball_season_pages

I like the maps though. I wonder if it makes sense to include the maps side by side above the standings, like on the 2022 article, two maps side by side at the same width. Jhn31 (talk) 02:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jhn31 Ah, yeah that makes. I'll start a discussion back up. I definitely jumped the gun on that 😅. There's the fact that the seven Negro Major Leagues of 1920–1948 were not a part of the MLB pages, and that MLB's website for the 1914 & 1915 seasons do not show Federal League stats and standings, even though sites such as Baseball Reference do consider those leagues in the same regard as the Federal League. There's recognizing a league as major league tier, and then there's whether it's recognized as a part of the organization known as "Major League Baseball".

Regarding the maps, I originally had the maps side-by-side with standings. I've been recently inspired by the Major League Soccer season pages to have that Teams section (as can be seen in the pre-1925 season pages at the moment) and have the maps next to that. The maps-next-to-standings idea work only pre-1969. Once you get into the division era, it becomes more and more awkward to have the maps next to the standings, especially from 1994–present. Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 02:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah you know what! I see the Federal League is only in the stats on MLB's website but does not have show the Federal League's standings or schedule, while they do not show anything for the 7 Negro Major Leagues. Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 02:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think every season page should include every league considered to be "Major" by MLB and sites like Baseball Reference but the Wikipedia community of baseball editors has been mostly against bringing the Negro Leagues in for 1920 through 1948 for whatever reason. Jhn31 (talk) 02:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm personally of the belief that we should follow one of the two extremes:

• MLB season pages should strictly be for the NL and AL (and in fact, the 1901 & 1902 pages should be separate NL & AL pages à la AFL & NFL 1967–1969 seasons even though Super Bowl I-III took place these seasons), as any proper cooperation between the AL and NL didn't begin until 1903 with the National Agreement.
• All leagues 1876–present that are considered major league should be included on season pages à la baseball-reference.com. Granted, I'd be tempted to make a distinction where any pre-1903 seasons are "1### Major league baseball season", where only the first word is capitalized since the all-caps "Major League Baseball" refers to the proper organization.

To make things even more confusing, MLB celebrates 1869 as the inaugural Major League season (even though its website is only dedicated to go back to 1901), a year that pre-dates even the 1871–1875 NA, which has its major league status in question. I personally like the first extreme, as it has season pages dedicated to leagues as they existed at the time. Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 03:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I actually had another suggestion for the maps, and this is a bit ticky-tack, but I think the yellow and orange are kinda hard to distinguish. What would you think about using:

• American League
  • Red - single division
  • Violet/Yellow - West/East
  • Violet/Red/Yellow - West/Central/East
• National League
  • Blue - single division
  • Cyan/Green - West/East
  • Cyan/Blue/Green - West/Central/East

Jhn31 (talk) 02:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not married to any color scheme! I was simply following the color scheme from the map here (while yes, I made that SVG file, it was based on a PNG file that I did not make). I think the theme the original map maker was going for was warm colors=American League, cool colors=National League. I personally like that myself (but it could very well be my familiarity with it). I like the idea of there being continuity in the color scheme that you have here (where the single division and West/East colors are all different), though I'm not really thrilled with Cyan and Green, as it I think it leads to the same issues as Yellow and Orange. I'm currently trying to get the orange button to be slightly less yellow, so before anyone goes and makes changes to the dozens of labeled maps, maybe the slight adjustment will help and the status quo could be maintained. Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 03:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't feel that strongly about the colors either, but I'm just trying to think what the six most easily distinguished colors would be, probably RBG/CMY. I propose something like this for the alignment of maps and standings. The drawback is that it would require separate templates for each league, not MLB as a whole.

Jhn31 (talk) 15:25, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to see your thoughts on this one: User:Jhn31/sandbox/1923 Major League Baseball season. Basically I took your draft and reorganized it a bit. Jhn31 (talk) 03:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1940 Negro National League standings has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 08:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1941 Negro National League standings has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 08:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just letting you know that if you do not put Keep or Delete on your replies to deletion discussions then it will be counted as a comment. Thanks. TheBritinator (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do! Thanks. Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 16:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please refrain from restoring unnecessary colors to MLB rivalry results tables. If you feel this is a necessary addition, please open a discussion on the appropriate talk page or on Wikiproject MLB. However, too much color on any table distracts from being able to find the most important aspects, which are the season-by-season results. Without consensus to add these colors in, please respect the status-quo format that was in place for years before you unilaterally changed them in late 2023/early 2024. Frank Anchor 18:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Current status quo is each column is shaded, so please refrain from removing colors. I'm not the one that should be opening a discussion here: Prior to my change in late-2023/early-2024, there was no status quo. Some pages had all columns colored, while some did not, and some had all except season series colored. Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 18:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MLB Team Maps (1964) has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have decided that these templates are no longer needed, please place {{db-author}} at the top of each unwanted page, and they will be deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment on the entry on the Templates for discussion page! Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 04:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

		The Original Barnstar
		I was thinking about turning the Kansas City Athletics, Milwaukee Braves, and Washington Senators to articles when I was free from my degree but you beat me to it! Thank you for your efforts on these articles; amazing work! Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you update the score results summary edit please it needs to be done let me know thanks. 2600:4808:4890:1D00:2890:42A1:A676:8DC0 (talk) 01:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: All game scores are listed with the visiting score first

Season	Season series		at Kansas City Royals STL-KC	at St. Louis Cardinals KC-STL	Notes	Ref
1985 World Series	Royals	4–3	3-1; 4-2; 1-2; 0-11	6-1; 0-3; 6-1	Royals lose the first two games at home, rally to win their first World Series title.	[1]
1997	Cardinals	2–1	9-7; 5-16; 5-4	no games	First regular season game and series between the two teams	[2]
1998	Royals	2–1	no games	6-1; 6-4; 0-3		[3]
1999	Royals	2–1	7-5; 10-11; 13-17	no games		[4]
2000	Cardinals	2–1	no games	7-4; 4-5; 2-4		[5]
2001	Royals	3–0	4-7; 1-4; 2-3(13)	no games		[6]
2002	Cardinals	5–1	12-6; 11-3; 2-3	0-3; 3-5; 1-5	First year of 6-game home-and-home series	[7]
2003	Tie	3–3	3-6; 13-9; 13-6	10-4; 1-8; 5-2		[8]
2004	Cardinals	3–0	5-2; 3-1(10); 10-3	no games	Series reverts to 3 games for 2004 and 2005 Cardinals lose 2004 World Series	[9]
2005	Cardinals	2–1	7-6; 6-5; 2-9	no games		[10]
2006	Cardinals	4–2	9-6; 4-2; 10-3	7-5(10); 8-7(11); 7-9	Cardinals open the New Busch Stadium, series returns to 6-game format Cardinals win 2006 World Series	[11]
2007	Tie	3–3	1-8; 7-3; 8-17	5-3; 1-5; 6-7(14)		[12]
2008	Royals	4–2	2-7; 5-1; 9-6	2-1; 3-2; 4-1		[13]
2009	Cardinals	5–1	10-5; 7-1; 12-5	0-5; 0-5; 3-2		[14]
2010	Royals	2–1	2-4; 5-3; 3-10	no games	Series reverts to 3 games for 2010 season only	[15]
2011	Cardinals	4–2	0-3; 3-0; 9-8(10)	5-4; 4-5; 4-5	Cardinals win 2011 World Series	[16]
2012	Cardinals	4–2	11-4; 8-2; 11-8	3-2; 7-10; 5-3(15)		[17]
2013	Cardinals	3–1	6-3; 4-1	3-5; 4-2	Series changed to four-game format with two in each city. except in years the AL Central plays the NL Central (2015, 2018, etc.) Cardinals lose 2013 World Series	[18]
2014	Royals	3–1	5-2(11); 2-3	6-0; 8-7	Royals lose 2014 World Series	[19]
2015	Cardinals	4–2	0-5; 2-3(6); 6-1	0-4; 2-3; 3-4	Teams enter both series (May 22, June 12) with the two best records in baseball. Both teams finish the season with the best records in their respective leagues. Royals win 2015 World Series	[20]
2016	Royals	3–1	2-6; 8-4	3-2(12); 4-2		[21]
2017	Cardinals	4–0	11-3; 10-3	5-8; 6-8		[22]
2018	Cardinals	4–2	7-0; 8-3; 8-2	0-6; 5-1; 5-2(10)		[23]
2019	Cardinals	3–1	2-0; 6-0	8-2; 3-10		[24]
2020	Tie	3–3	1-4; 5-0; 3-12	3-9; 5-4; 5-6		[25]
2021	Cardinals	5–1	6-0; 9-4; 7-2	2-4; 2-5; 6-5		[26]
2022	Cardinals	3–1	1-7; 10-0	5-6; 0-1		[27]
2023	Tie	2–2	8-12; 5-4	7-0; 1-2	All MLB teams start playing each other in a season; Four-game series format used for interleague rivals.	[28]
2024	Royals	3–1	8-5; 3-8	6-4; 8-5		[29]
2025			May 16–18	June 3–5	Return of six-game format with each team hosting a three-game series.
Regular Season	Cardinals	76–52	at Kansas City Royals Cardinals, 46–24	at St. Louis Cardinals Cardinals, 30–28
Postseason	Royals	4–3	at Kansas City Royals Tied, 2-2	at St. Louis Cardinals Royals, 2–1
Overall	Cardinals	79–56	at Kansas City Royals Cardinals, 48–26	at St. Louis Cardinals Cardinals, 31–30

It needs to be fixed by the way. 2600:4808:4890:1D00:2890:42A1:A676:8DC0 (talk) 02:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well... Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 23:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks this page is done now. 69.94.56.76 (talk) 05:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you update the score results summary edit please it needs to be done let me know thanks. 2600:4808:4890:1D00:2890:42A1:A676:8DC0 (talk) 01:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Season	Season series		at Florida/Miami Marlins TB-MIA	at Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays MIA-TB	Notes
1998	Marlins	3–1	4–8; 1–5	3–2(12); 4–6	Devil Rays' inaugural season
1999	Marlins	5–1	4–11; 9–8; 2–3	10–0; 9–7; 11–6
2000	Tie	3–3	8–3; 5–6; 9–10	4–6; 5–1; 6–7
2001	Marlins	4–2	4–7; 0–11; 4–6	4–5(11); 3–4; 6–1
2002	Devil Rays	4–2	4–3(14); 0–3; 4–1	0–4; 3–2; 5–6(12)
2003	Marlins	3–0	1–3(11); 0–2(5); 2–3	no games	Marlins win World Series
2004	Devil Rays	4–2	4–2; 6–1; 3–4	0–2; 4–6; 11–4
2005	Marlins	6–0	6–7; 3–4; 5–8	7–4; 6–2; 1–0
2006	Devil Rays	4–2	8–5; 8–4; 1–3	4–5(10); 3–4; 0–3
2007	Marlins	4–2	8–14; 7–2; 9–4	8–4; 7–2; 4–3
2008	Rays	5–1	6–4; 15–3; 6–1	3–7; 1–4; 9–3	Devil Rays shorten their name to "Rays" and also win AL Pennant
2009	Rays	5–1	15–2; 10–3; 4–5(11)	3–7; 2–3; 2–5
2010	Marlins	4–2	4–7; 9–8(11); 1–4	14–9; 5–6; 6–1	Rays win AL East
2011	Rays	4–2	3–5; 3–5; 4–0	1–5; 4–7; 1–2	Rays win AL Wild Card
2012	Rays	5–1	5–1; 13–4; 4–2	0–11; 4–3(15) 0–3	Marlins change name to "Miami Marlins" and Marlins Park opens
2013	Rays	4–0	3–1; 5–2	6–10; 6–7	Rays win AL Wild Card
2014	Marlins	4–0	1–3; 0–1	5–4; 11–6
2015	Rays	5–1	9–10(10); 2–0; 8–5	2–4; 4–6; 1–4
2016	Marlins	3–1	6–7; 4–3	4–3; 9–1
2017	Rays	3–1	4–2; 3–1	10–6; 1–5
2018	Marlins	4–2	2–3; 9–6(16); 0–3	6–5; 3–2; 4–6
2019	Rays	4–0	4–0; 1–0	6–8; 2–7	Rays win AL Wild Card
2020	Rays	5–1	2–0; 4–0; 12–7	4–5; 7–3; 4–5(10)	First time both teams qualify for postseason together; Rays win AL pennant
2021	Rays	5–1	1–0, 6–4, 7–12	0–8, 3–7, 2–3
2022	Rays	4–0	7–2, 2–1(10)	0–4, 4–5
2023	Rays	3–1	11–2, 3–0	1–4, 7–1	Both teams get swept in wildcard round
2024	Rays	3–1	9–5, 5–3	3–9, 6–2
Overall	Rays	81–60	at Florida/Miami Marlins Rays, 41–31	at Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays Rays, 41–28

It needs to be fixed by the way. 2600:4808:4890:1D00:2890:42A1:A676:8DC0 (talk) 02:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...it looks like I have some work to do! Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 23:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page is not done yet when your ready can you update the summary score results edit please when you ready let me know thanks. 69.94.56.76 (talk) 05:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check back! I just submitted an update. Spesh531^{(talk, contrib., ext.)} 05:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already done. 69.94.56.76 (talk) 05:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks by the way. 69.94.56.76 (talk) 05:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]