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Foucault’s Pendulum by Umberto Eco
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“ “Us two? All three of us are in this. If we don’t come out honorably, we’ll all look silly.”
“Silly to whom?”
“Why, to history. Before the tribunal of Truth.”
“Quid est veritas?” Belbo asked.
“Us,” I said.” ” (p.435)


Truth? What is truth? Truth is relative. Or isn’t it?
The fact that Umberto Eco portrays one of his characters quoting Pontius Pilate’s assertion that truth is hard to ascertain with some sort of consistent resonance of a Nietzschian Superman who has passed “beyond good and evil” is no coincidence.
There is nothing superfluous or redundant in Eco’s challenging and maybe even misinformative novel, which results to be an erudite map of connections throughout the history of humankind in a quest to find meaning to the mystery of existence.

Or so believe the three protagonists of this complicated historical fugue, Casaubon, Belbo and Diotallevi, when they decide to embark on a mission they call “The Plan” to decipher the encrypted message inscribed in an ancient parchment brought to Garamond Press in Milan, a firm where Belbo and Diotallevi work as editors, by a suspicious Knight Templar fanatic called Ardenti, who claims the document to be proof of the existence of a master plan of secret societies which has been passed down for centuries involving telluric energy that will give unlimited powers to whoever capable of unraveling its encoded enigma.

Casaubon, acting as an omniscient narrator and a Doctor whose thesis is focused in the Knights Templar and the collection of German secret societies in the 17th century called Rosicrucians, goes forward and backward in time to display the creation of “The Plan”, which starts as a harmless game involving random computing processes and the analysis of symbols and semiotics through historical facts only to develop into a full-scale obsession blending speculation with the most shocking conclusions about some historical personalities ranging from Francis Bacon and Shakespeare to Elizabeth I or Hitler.

Even the characters of the novel, the quotations at the beginning of each chapter and the division of the story following the Kabbalah esoteric tradition carry extra meaning to reinforce Eco’s trial of the Western arcane tradition.
Casaubon is presented as the epitome of logic and sense, the skeptic type as a counterpoint to ascetic Diotallevi, who is in turn convinced by his passion for Kabbalah that he comes from Jewish ancestry without any real evidence.
Belbo arises as the anti-heroic protagonist whose biggest frustration relays in his inability to become a writer after an alienated childhood that shaped him with insecurities and a low self-esteem. “The Plan” represents Belbo’s triumph over his past failures and he clings to it until it becomes a life consuming mania that transcends into fatal consequences.
Eco’s idea of femininity is presented in the dichotomy between the characters of Lorenza and Lia, the first conveying the reincarnated Gnostic muse Sophia, the forbidden fruit and the volcanic passion of love; the second depicting the idea of fertility, matriarchal authority and nourishing balance.

On Lia:
“You live on the surface. You sometimes seem profound, but it’s only because you piece a lot of surfaces together to create impression of depth, solidity. That solidity would collapse if you tried to stand it up” (p. 365)

On Lorenza:
“For I am the first and the last. I am the honored and the hated. I am the saint and the prostitute.” — Fragment of Nag Hammadi 6.2. (p. 41)

Eco’s intellectual display of historical facts commingles with his deep knowledge of ancient traditions and ancestral esoteric beliefs while playing with the reader, who finds himself in a true terra incognita, lacking the necessary background to be able to discriminate factual truth from fiction, mesmerizing him with obscure spirituality and metaphysical philosophy concluding with the controversial Conspiracy Theory in the form of the quintessential battle among the forces of darkness.

What is the message behind this deliberate scholarly obfuscation?
Is there a hidden lesson to be learnt amidst this subtle intellectual and emotional manipulation?
Is Reason or Faith the conduit to find the meaning of existence, the truth of the making of History?
Is life the biggest joke we’ve been submitted to?
Eco laughs unashamedly at having pulled the reader’s leg and demonstrated his point with dexterous subterfuges and his disguised critic tone on spirituality.
But beware my fellow reader. Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it proves the insignificance and the meaningless purpose of existence. And that is something I am not ready to accept as the fallible and imperfect human being I am.

“Where have I read that at the end, when life, surface upon surface, has become completely encrusted with experience, you know everything, the secret, the power, and the glory, why you were born, why you are dying, and how it all could have been different? You are wise. But the greatest wisdom, at that moment, is knowing that your wisdom is too late. You understand everything when there is no longer anything to understand.” (p. 640)
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Reading Progress

November 25, 2013 – Started Reading
November 25, 2013 – Shelved
November 27, 2013 –
page 49
7.87% "I like Eco's jesting tone:
"I tried the ten Sefirot: Keter, Hokhmah, Binah, Hesed, Gevurah, Tiferet, Nezah, Hod, Yesod, Malkhut. They didn't work, of course: it was the first thing that would have occurred to anyone." "
December 3, 2013 –
page 161
25.84% "I know I shouldn't but I can't help liking this Diotallevi guy: "Everything is repeated, in a circle. History is a master because it teaches us that it doesn't exist. It's the permutations that matter.""
December 15, 2013 –
page 248
39.81% ""Mysticism is a degenerate form of contact with the divine, whereas initiation is the fruit of long askesis of mind and heart. Mysticism is a democratic, if not demagogic, phenomenon; initiation is aristocratic.""
December 19, 2013 –
page 378
60.67% ""Who do we think we are? We for whom Hamlet is more real than our janitor? Do I have any right to judge - I who keep searching for my own Madame Bovary so we can have a big scene?""
December 21, 2013 –
page 507
81.38% "Belbo is becoming my favorite character.
"Proust was right: life is represented better by bad music than by a Missa solemnis. Great Art makes fun of us as it comforts us, because it shows us the world as the artists would like the world to be.""
December 23, 2013 –
page 623
100.0% "In the end, everything is reduced to being conscious of the humankind's need to believe in something.
"When men stop believing in God, it isn't that they then believe in nothing: they believe in everything.""
December 23, 2013 – Finished Reading

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Lynne King Eco. Good choice Dolors. I'll be intrigued to see how you find it. Did you read "The Name of the Rose"? I think I preferred that book but this one is still excellent.


Dolors It's quite challenging but so well written that I am reading it as if mesmerized somehow. I read "The Name of the Rose" years ago and found it difficult but worthy of the effort. Seeing Sean Connery in the movie adaptation was most rewarding though! :)


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Traveller I found The Name of the Rose less digressive, especially at the start. To me FP is rather more work than The Name of the Rose had been.


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Jan-Maat But beware my fellow reader. Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it proves the insignificance and the meaningless purpose of existence. And that is something I am not ready to accept as the fallible and imperfect human being I am.

How differently I read the book to you! The explanation that Lia gave Causabon was I thought so beautiful while all the esoteric stuff was ugly, turning away from what life is in favour of trying to make everything mysterious and needing to make a mystery out of something, everything, before they could appreciate it.


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Rakhi Dalal Great review,Dolors. I was going to quote the same para which Jan-Maat has quoted above and it has made me curious to read it, the question of existence being the one always closer to me :) Thanks!


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Tej Oh, the question of existence, the amusing complexity and the arcane simplicity of it. Or very simple simplicity of it. Yes, indeed at some point it becomes imperative to question the very question of meaninglessness but the question still retains its questionable and over-the-face existence. Meaning perhaps is individual and meaninglessness universal :) A verdict on meaninglessness is surely laying ground for the end... what if the very meaninglessness is all the more reason to make it meaningful ?

You have surely dealt with it as honestly as ever and raised a bunch of those head scratching questions indicating your own bewilderment as well. Even if Eco perplexed you, this is an exquisite piece of writing, thorough in its scope and cautioningly inviting in its appeal!

Thank you for this splendid Christmas present, dear Dolors... Hope, this is not the last one for the year 2013 ;)


Isca Silurum Pithy?

Do people use verbosity to underline or highlight intellect?

Use words in a pithy rashion or aged ones might think priee is self aggrandisement?

I leave you to your fan club an aged old fart.

ttfn

Ian


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Samadrita "Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it proves the insignificance and the meaningless purpose of existence."

This makes FP sound almost like an existentialist novel. But your review flavored with all the spices of intrigue and obfuscation of Umberto Eco's revered creation made for a sumptuous treat this Christmas, Dolors. I hope to read Eco in the next year since I wasn't able to join the group read this time around.


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Traveller Samadrita wrote: ""Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it proves the insigni..."

I'm not reading Dolor's review yet because Christmas and family have hijacked my reading and even the time I have available for posting.

You could easily still catch up and join in if you like, Samadrita, because the discussion has stalled. I'm hoping I'll have more time to read and catch up with the threads after today as well.

So if I haven't commented yet, Dolors, it's only because I'm behind and plan to finish FP and read your review soon!

Oh, and MERRY CHRISTMAS to you all!!


Lynne King An excellent review as ever Dolors. I should imagine that this was a pretty hard one to write as Eco is such a complex remarkable character.

And a Merry Christms to you all!!!


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Garima Firstly congratulations to you for reading this book which in itself is not an easy feat (I suppose!) and secondly, again congratulations on putting across your thoughts about it in such an incisive and fantastic way. Now none of the questions you have raised are easy to answer or rather there is no right or wrong answers for them and in that case, books are our prime source in providing us something we can relate to or at least give us a new perspective. This book looks perfect for that but still, I'll start reading Eco with The Name of a Rose before proceeding to his other works.

Eco’s intellectual display of historical facts commingles with his deep knowledge of ancient traditions and ancestral esoteric beliefs while playing with the reader, who finds himself in a true terra incognita..

Lovely play of words there Dolors dearest. And of course, a marvelous review as always.


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Dolors Jan-Maat wrote: "But beware my fellow reader. Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most b..."

Merry Christmas!
Funny you say that Jan-Maat. I thought Lia was the the most balanced character of the story, she is certainly shown in a fairer light than the rest: I found she represented the sound voice of reason and logic and nature throughout all the escalating madness of The Plan. Such a shame her warnings were ignored.
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Dolors Rakhi wrote: "Great review,Dolors. I was going to quote the same para which Jan-Maat has quoted above and it has made me curious to read it, the question of existence being the one always closer to me :) Thanks!"

Merry Christmas!
Thank you so much for your comment, Rakhi. You being a great fan of Albert Camus will find Eco's novel and thought-provoking ideas more than inspiring.


Dolors Tej wrote: "Oh, the question of existence, the amusing complexity and the arcane simplicity of it. Or very simple simplicity of it. Yes, indeed at some point it becomes imperative to question the very question..."

Merry Christmas to you as well, dear Tej! I hope this novel not to be my last in 2013, I have another one to read before I finally let 2013 leave for good. Thank you so much for your meaningful comment amidst this paradoxical and sometimes perplexing Eco's rant. This has been quite a challenging reading for me but I recognize Eco's mastership and erudition in bringing such quintessentials questions such as the meaning of existence, the concept of truth and the making and reading of history to the reader's attention. Not to mention his well argued and shocking conclusion. Thank you as ever for the gift of your thoughts, they never fail to make my days brighter.


Dolors Casnewydd wrote: "Pithy?

Do people use verbosity to underline or highlight intellect?

Use words in a pithy rashion or aged ones might think priee is self aggrandisement?

I leave you to your fan club an aged old f..."


Thanks for giving your opinion Ian.
I don't need a fan club when I have only the best friends one could ever wish for. Merry Christmas to you as well.


Dolors Samadrita wrote: ""Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it proves the insigni..."

Merry Christmas Samadrita.
I am so glad that my review encouraged rather than deterred you from reading Eco's FP. This was for me a very challenging reading but more than worth the effort. I am sure I missed hundreds of references as I felt usually out of my depth with Eco's erudition and profound knowledge of history and semiotics but he makes his points with wit, subtlety and elegance and the last pages were simply brilliant. I think you will enjoy Eco's pungent and thought provoking writing style. Thanks as usual for your comment, my friend.


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Dolors Traveller wrote: "Samadrita wrote: ""Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it ..."

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AS WELL Trav.
I'll keep contributing in the discussion thread, you won't get rid of me that easily! :))
Can't wait to read your sure-to-be enlightening review on this one.


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Dolors Lynne wrote: "An excellent review as ever Dolors. I should imagine that this was a pretty hard one to write as Eco is such a complex remarkable character.

And a Merry Christms to you all!!!"


Thank you so much Lynne and Merry Christmas to you as well.
It was a challenging reading but I had given much thought about what I wanted to address in the review. In the end I focused in the way the novel spoke to me trying to link it with Eco's latent message. I got all excited for a moment thinking you might have written a review on this one, but I see you only rated it. Maybe next time! :)


Dolors Garima wrote: "Firstly congratulations to you for reading this book which in itself is not an easy feat (I suppose!) and secondly, again congratulations on putting across your thoughts about it in such an incisiv..."

Garima, your comment is the PERFECT Christmas gift, thank you so so much for your always generous words. I am thrilled to know you intend to read "The Name of the Rose", which I read years ago, because I think that novel holds the same underlying ideas than FP but maybe exposed in a not so complex and misleading way. In the end, Eco proves his points with such astonishing dexterity that one feels like bowing to him. The uncertainty of life, the meaning of truth and the false illusions of sensory perceptions and beliefs always sounding as background music. You are one of those friends who make this whole business of reading and attempting to write coherent thoughts about what I read so rewarding. You are one of my most precious gifts fallen from heaven in 2013, dearest Garima.


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Garima And your reply is the perfect Christmas Gift for me too. And lemme add before I forget - Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones, Dolors.

PS: William Weaver is my favorite English translator after perhaps Margaret Jull Costa. Off-topic but I really hope you read some Marias soon.


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Samadrita Traveller wrote: "Samadrita wrote: ""Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it ..."

I would have loved to join but I am currently busy with the The Brothers Karamazov which is a big tome in itself. I can only start with another big fat book after I am done with it. But then again Infinite Jest is another book I wish to tackle early next year so Foucault will have to wait for the time being. A very merry christmas to you Trav.


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Samadrita Dolors wrote: "Samadrita wrote: ""Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it ..."

Eco has always intimidated me a little, first with the volume of his works and then with the extensive scope of the subjects he touches upon. And as for the references you didn't get, your review sounded adequately stuffed with valuable information for me and it certainly did not detract you from peeling off the layers of the narrative to get to the core. So I'd say mission accomplished ma'am!

P.S.:-At times like these I almost pray for an annotated edition. Luckily I had found an annotated version of Lolita, otherwise hundreds of Humbert's witty and often perverse analogies would have escaped me too.

P.P.S:-Merry Christmas to you and your family, Dolors!


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Jan-Maat Dolors wrote: "Funny you say that..."

I think the ending to great. Nice contrast to the beginning where Causabon needs to think of secret and hidden meanings of what is around him while at the end he is able to accept the beauty of his surroundings.

There is a moment in the book when someone says that dinosaurs once roamed here, which I thought an incredibly joyful line - the sense of the unlikely and amazing things that have actually happened.


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Jan-Maat Samadrita wrote: "Eco has always intimidated me a little, first with the volume of his works and then with the extensive scope of the subjects he touches upon..."

I think you can read Eco's novels as they are, with no extra, special or unusual knowledge and just enjoy them as you find them. The three I've read are simply enjoyable, interesting reads.

If you know something about what he is discussing then that is just an extra layer to the reading, but it isn't necessary to have to that, in the same way as it isn't necessary to be an expert in Russian nineteenth century history and society to enjoy War and Peace, but if you do know something then it puts a different light perhaps on what you read.

I'd advise The Name of the Rose as a fun starting point for Eco.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Nice comments about Lorenza and Lia.


Dolors Garima wrote: "And your reply is the perfect Christmas Gift for me too. And lemme add before I forget - Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones, Dolors.

PS: William Weaver is my favorite English translator a..."


Heh, Garima. Margaret Jull Costa is the translator of my copy of Pessoa's "The Book of Disquiet", which is one of my favorites ever. Off-topic as well, but after having read Eco's FP I can't help drawing connections to find underlying meanings everywhere. Coincidence doesn't exist, everything happens for a reason! ;P


Dolors Ian wrote: "Nice comments about Lorenza and Lia."

Thank you Ian, Merry Christmas.


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Samadrita Jan-Maat wrote: "Samadrita wrote: "Eco has always intimidated me a little, first with the volume of his works and then with the extensive scope of the subjects he touches upon..."

I think you can read Eco's novels..."


You are probably right there, Jan-Maat. I shouldn't jump to conclusions before actually reading him. I will start with The Name of the Rose.


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Declan Eco’s position, which has been delivered with much ambiguity, biplay and paradoxical meandering, might be a hard blow to take hitting the soul where it hurts the most because it proves the insignificance and the meaningless purpose of existence. And that is something I am not ready to accept as the fallible and imperfect human being I am.

As one imperfect human to another (if you judge yourself to be so Dolors) then I can only agree with you on this point. We have somehow to continue to believe that all of this struggle and effort serves some purpose. Listening to Bach, as I am now as I write, is always very reassuring and consoling. Somehow he makes it seem that we might just be capable of exalted actions and thoughts.

You certainly put a lot of thought into your review Dolors. Many thanks for conveying so well the intricate river of ideas - and its many tributaries - which flow through this book.

A little belatedly, I wish you a wonderful Christmas and look forward greatly to continuing our conversation throughout the new year.


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A review? What is a review? Dolors review of FP is a REVIEW! Dolors, what a wonderful treat it was to read this phenomenal review of FP, a book which I read nearly 20 years ago and about which I have forgotten so many details. Your review reminds me of my delight in Eco's playful erudition and march through the history of ideas and mysticism and secret societies. Your personal declaration, quoted by Declan above, caused me a glimpse of recognition into my own approach to literature and how I prefer books that help me to find connections and meaning even if the belief in those connections is the target of the good humor and semiotic scholarship of the brilliant Eco. Your review makes me want to revisit this book.


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Dolors Declan wrote: "Listening to Bach, as I am now as I write, is always very reassuring and consoling. Somehow he makes it seem that we might just be capable of exalted actions and thoughts. "

Thank you so much for such a delightful comment, Declan. Your musical sensitivity clearly hits the nail on the head in pointing music as the ultimate expression of meaning, as an exultation of the senses, as a hymn to life.
I thought Eco's display of erudition is a masterful counterpoint to blind belief, he certainly provides solid arguments about the dangers of excessive mysticism but I can not come to terms with an empty existence. That's why I guess I need music and poetry in my life!

I hope you enjoy what's left of the Christmas season and wish you a Happy New Year in which I will be more than willing to keep in contact while threading literary paths together. Wonderful things in store for 2014! :)


Dolors Steve Sckenda wrote: "A review? What is a review? Dolors review of FP is a REVIEW! Dolors, what a wonderful treat it was to read this phenomenal review of FP, a book which I read nearly 20 years ago and about which I h..."


Meaning? What's meaning? Your comment is the embodiment of meaning to me, Steve.
Your reviews never fail to draw the most incredible maps of connections, painting the most vivid canvases, shedding glowing light to plots, characters, preconceived ideas or even to assumed historical facts, blending the personal sphere with the analytical eye, sucking the essence of any book you lay your hands on and presenting it with tinges of lyricism here and there for your fellow readers to delight in while learning from you. I am sure reading your FP's review would enlighten myriad of aspects that I have surely missed in my unscholarly approach to this novel. Thank you so much for your invaluable comment, my traveler companion in so many literary journeys.


Stephen P(who no longer can participate due to illness) What an engaging and thorough review Dolors. A piece of writing I so enjoyed in and of itself. I loved the questions you posed. Who was it that said something akin to, live your life to ask the questions not to find the answers?


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Dolors Stephen wrote: "What an engaging and thorough review Dolors. A piece of writing I so enjoyed in and of itself. I loved the questions you posed. Who was it that said something akin to, live your life to ask the que..."

Thank you for your generous words Stephen. I don't know about your poignant question but my intake of it is that the mere act of questioning gives you half of the answer. And that's what Eco does with this erudite novel of ideas, it's only that he astonished me with his unexpected conclusions. I find such joy in being able to share all these questions with so well read fellow readers in this huge worldwide community, which is by far the best gift I have received in 2013. I am so honored to have crossed paths with you and I hope to keep our "conversations" going in the forthcoming new year. Thank you as always for reading and reaching out your always kind and friendly hand.


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Riku Sayuj Great review and discussion! Dolors, may I recommend Serendipities to supplement this reading - https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

I was just sharing this with trav and thought I will drop in here as well.


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Traveller Well done with the review, Dolors! I enjoyed reading it, and how you question and challenge what you've read, not less because I'm also still chewing and chewing on the novel and trying to make up my mind where I stand with all the material Eco throws at us...

Tej wrote: "Oh, the question of existence, the amusing complexity and the arcane simplicity of it. Or very simple simplicity of it. Yes, indeed at some point it becomes imperative to question the very question..."

A few things very well-said in that post, that I agree with... even if there is no sense to the universe itself, it's up to use to make meaning of our existence.


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Riku Sayuj Traveller wrote: "Well done with the review, Dolors! I enjoyed reading it, and how you question and challenge what you've read, not less because I'm also still chewing and chewing on the novel and trying to make up..."

It is not merely up to us, it is inevitable. Meaning-seeking beings. it is hard-wired.


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Traveller Riku wrote: "It is not merely up to us, it is inevitable. Meaning-seeking beings. it is hard-wired."

Yip! ..and that is part of the point that I saw in this novel...


Stephen P(who no longer can participate due to illness) Riku wrote: "Traveller wrote: "Well done with the review, Dolors! I enjoyed reading it, and how you question and challenge what you've read, not less because I'm also still chewing and chewing on the novel and..."

Riku, we are hard-wired to seek meaning, or also to believe we are seeking meaning?


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Riku Sayuj Stephen wrote: "Riku wrote: "Traveller wrote: "Well done with the review, Dolors! I enjoyed reading it, and how you question and challenge what you've read, not less because I'm also still chewing and chewing on ..."

Ah, we are hard-wired to infuse meaning, to put it in another way - thus believing we are 'seeking' it.


Stephen P(who no longer can participate due to illness) Riku wrote: "Stephen wrote: "Riku wrote: "Traveller wrote: "Well done with the review, Dolors! I enjoyed reading it, and how you question and challenge what you've read, not less because I'm also still chewing..."

Got it. Thanks Riku.


Dolors Traveller wrote: "Well done with the review, Dolors! I enjoyed reading it, and how you question and challenge what you've read, not less because I'm also still chewing and chewing on the novel and trying to make up..."

@ Riku: Thanks for the recommendation Riku, I have just added it to my to-buy list. I could certainly have used to guideline to better understand FP's intricate plot or no-plot line.

@ Trav: If it offers some consolation, I am still musing over it myself Trav. What I do believe is that Eco tried to prove his point that human beings are fallible when having to determine what and what is not essential in our lives. Casaubon ignoring the miracle of nature (and maybe of existence?) when neglecting Lia's sound advice and focusing obsessively in The Plan was proof for me of the shortsightedness and the arrogance of humankind. I thought Eco's humorous and jesting tone was an effective way to enhance one of one the most disturbing questions humans have to face: fear of death/meaning of life, wondering whether there will be eternal glory or peaceful rest or a vast void of nothingness. That hit close home and made me wonder about my own views and I found Eco wasn't gentle in delivering where his thoughts were on the subject.


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Ema Dolors, congratulations for completing this challenging novel and writing such a complex and insightful review. I can imagine it was not an easy feat at all. I was so underwhelmed by this book that I ended up skipping whole parts of it, so I appreciate your patience and keen observations even more.
I like a lot the choice for your opening quotation. I am aware that I missed a lot of good aspects of this novel, but the feeling that I was wasting my time was too powerful. I felt like digging for small gems in huge piles of ... well, not exactly that, but ... you get my point (oh, I feel so mean!). I am usually patient and don't usually say 'This book was not for me' unless it is from a genre I don't like at all and thus I don't read, so I don't really understand what happened between me and this book. :)

I would add Amparo to Eco’s pallette of femininity - she seems to impersonate the archetype of tradition, of primitive nature, the lost connection to divinity and supernatural (although she is denying all that).


Dolors Thank you for comment Ema. You made the effort of trying to make sense out of Eco's obsessive rambling and somehow overstated erudition worthwhile with that comment of yours! :)
I actually felt frustrated most of the time and I was about to give up in the middle of the novel, but I obliged myself to go on and was rewarded by the last chapters because they were somehow revealing to me, specially the passages that I quoted in my review.
Wonderful contribution into adding Amparo in Eco's map of the female multiple and underlying aspects. I think you might have got more of that novel than you are letting on! ;))


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Traveller Dolors wrote: "Thank you for comment Ema. You made the effort of trying to make sense out of Eco's obsessive rambling and somehow overstated erudition worthwhile with that comment of yours! :)
I actually felt fru..."


Ah, so we all felt frustrated by the rambling. I guess its not quite the done thing to say that in a group specially created for the novel. Anyway, I'll still go and post a thing or two in the final thread, but this is why informal half-hidden group reading like our Jelinek adventure is more fun, I guess.

I must say that I was quite moved by Belbo's story, and it's a pity that many people would probably have given up on the book (because of all the name dropping) before they get to the good bits towards the end... :(

I must admit though, that there were many bits in the book which gave me a good laugh or two. C'mon, you have to admit that Eco can be pretty funny in a very dry way.


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Mala @ Dolors: Substantial review! Makes me keen on reading it.


Dolors Mala wrote: "@ Dolors: Substantial review! Makes me keen on reading it."

Thank you so much Mala for your comment, specially coming from an erudite reviewer such as yourself! :)


Jeffrey Keeten What fond memories your review has inspired.

Thank goodness you didn't get Lost in Translation gazing at Scarlett Johansson's granny pantie clad rearend and spiraling morosely downward into Bill Murray's increasingly worse, exponentially so, depressing mind. Whew! close one.

You handled the characters and the complexities of this novel so deftly I'm still luxuriating in the golden haze of several wonderful eureka moments. Sorry it has taken me so long to find this glittering gem of a review.


Dolors Heh, thank you Jeffrey. I have to admit I was kind of lost following the ball crossing the court instead of focusing on Johansson's dexterous serve or Rhys Meyers' backhand shot.
In fact, I actually felt Eco's was the one who would always manage to score the match point. But I surely enjoyed the game while it lasted, suspense and erudition had never played so well together. Thank you for your glowing comment, you just made my day Jeffrey! :)


Lynne King Dolors,

What a super comment from Jeffrey. He's made my day too! Your vocabulary is quite exquisite now.


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