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Fire by Kristin Cashore
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did not like it
bookshelves: horribles

So. Where do I begin?

Perhaps I should begin with my rating. One star seems harsh, truly, but goodreads describes that rating as, "Didn't like it." And that is an accurate description, for I simply didn't like the book.

Thus I'm sticking with one star.

And now for the book itself: I was hyped for the day I would actually get my hands on it and presumably storm through the whole thing in six hours, as I had done with Graceling. This anticipation was fueled by the raving reviews (on goodreads and elsewhere) which called it EVEN BETTER than it's companion, DIFFERENT, BETTER WRITTEN, STUNNING, BOUND TO "WOW" YOU -

Well, all I can do is wonder if others had read this book with their eyes closed.

Please, all ye who read this rant and disagree with me, don't think of me as being accusatory; it's just that, plowing my way through the book, that was one of the thoughts which ammounted to my overall disbelief. Different? Fire is a mirror image of Graceling. Same plot. Same characters. Same nuances. Except, it seems, it is Graceling with the good sucked out of it. Katsa, in the first book, was spirited and interesting. (With her temper, she reminds me somewhat of Thirrin of the Icemark - possibly the best, strongest, and most genuine female protagonist I have come to encounter. Kudos, Mr. Hill, for everything.)But Katsa did have some sort of ridiculous internal battles along the way, which I placently accepted, so long as there were heads to bash and throats to slit and all that general badassery was involved. Take away the ability to kill ten men with a toothpick in under thirty seconds, and you have Fire. Brigan was a sort of mofified version of Po, Archer was Giddon, and so on and so forth. (Leck, incidentally, was completely unnecessary. So he gave us a prologue and killed some people. Great.) It mollifies me at the amount of connections I can make between the two books, and this shows me that Cashore is limited in her ability to weave characters, because eventually they all start reflecting one another.

I had expected for Fire, the most imporant persona in the book, to be a sort of Katsa, if not having immense strength in body, then in spirit.

SHE. IS. NOT. A. STRONG. LEAD.

Even if she were not a lead, she would still be a completely useless and annoying brat. She whines, she mopes. She cries. (Not that crying is a bad thing, but she cries for absolutely no purpose.) She seems to hardly do anything herself, and constantly rely on other characters to help her. She has no pride, she allows herself to be waited on by a team of armored bodyguards, and cannot survive alone - such a pity, because that was what made Katsa so admirable. Perhaps Cashore intended them to be different, simply by making Fire weak? But she is not. Where did the author intend Fire to go, whom was she trying to impact?

And Cashore had tried to impact her readers, I really think she tried. Throughout Fire's epiphanies (usually after she ends up storming out on some character on another - she does that a lot), Cashore tries to send across messages. But the thing is, a) they're so naive that it's not worth the trouble, Cashore, or b) they never get to the reader at all, because Fire is a sort of pitfall in the many heroines of literature. What was I supposed to have learned, that one shouldn't be ashamed of one's parentage? That it really can't be helped that society will see a person as someone else, no matter how different their heart and intentions are? "Be yourself" - is that what is put across here? Fire discovers that she can use her nature for good in the end, she really can! Well, jolly good for her. Fire can't get over death; she can't get over truth. By the end I was screaming, GET UP, WOMAN. GET A GRIP. AND GO SAVE THE WORLD. Really, I was so desperate to see her take control for once and ride out to meet the looming army with a battle standard in hand, the dawn glinting on her silver helm. I was that much saddened.

But moral lessons aside, I was extremely irritated - make it vexed, by some point - about some of the technicalities. The sex lives of all the different characters accounted for, oh, let's say, half the plot. Most of the book was spent running around discovering who slept with whom, who sired whom, and who killed their respective fathers and how. I mean, come on, the whole "I am your father," "REALLY?!" thing has gotten so old, and Cashore drops that bombshell a few times in the book. Incidentally, yes, Cashore, Fire's great secret I figured out ten chapters before you finally gave it away.

It ran like a great big midday TV soap opera. There was too much sleeping around, too much desire to sleep around, and inability to stop oneself from sleeping around. Also in the realm of irritating lay Fire and her seriously annoying menstrual necessities, the whole impregnation and contraception aspect, and too much talk of having children, not having children, and being pregnant. Countless times I had smacked the book against my forehead, howling WHY IS THIS NECESSARY TO THE PROGRESSION OF THE PLOT?

Beneath all these different feels lurks a sort of hideous impression about what Cashore may have implied in this book. She asks, somewhere towards the middle, "What is the point of a woman monster?" and it seems to me she answers it. If she truly believes something like that, then I should like to take the book itself and smack someone with it, preferrably her. Of course, I could be completely wrong, so I'll keep this suspicion to myself. But it seemed to me as though the book, which was supposed to be feminist, went way, way, way in the other direction.

The writing, by the way, was not that good. Not much description, and not much unique brilliance. It does not shine. An exception I made for the fiery persona in Graceling, but here it only underlines the Fire's flaws.

Signing off, I'll now take my leave.
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Reading Progress

May 28, 2009 – Shelved
February 5, 2010 – Started Reading
February 6, 2010 – Finished Reading
July 3, 2012 – Shelved as: horribles

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message 1: by Rachel (new)

Rachel I have not read this book, but I thoroughly enjoyed your review. I can just see you furious and demanding blood. Anyway, if you want some strong female characters, you really ought to pick up Tamora Pierce sometime. Some of her books are for younger readers, and her girl-power message lacks subtlety, but I'm anticipating Mastiff more eagerly than any other book this year.


Daria Hahaha, thank you! I've been here and there in Tamora Pierce's worlds; they're alright, but I've fallen in love with strong females in other books, too. (Notice I mentioned Hill? I went off and wrote a review on The Cry of the Icemark. I had really needed a strong protagonist to pitch Fire against.) So you've been following the Beka Cooper series, then? How are they? It may just be me, but I get the feeling that if you've read one of her quartets, you've read them all. Meh. Maybe it's just me.


message 3: by Rachel (new)

Rachel That may be true of her earlier quartets, but she's branched out in recent years, especially since the Trickster books. Beka's not my favorite heroine, but she is pretty awesome in her own right. To be fair, at this point I would devour anything Ms. Pierce cares to publish.
That's it, I'm reading Cry of the Icemark. What's the use of big breaks if we don't use them to read? On that note, are you up for continuing our LoTR marathon over the mid-winter?
Snow day! YES!
Rachel



Daria You're reading the Icemark!!! =D You know, when I read it in 6th grade, I figured that I had finally found a tale to claim that famous "favorite book of all time" title. But that was before I got my hands on Bartimaeus... and read the Chronicles of Prydain... and read Inkspell, and discovered Zusak's The Book Thief. Ah, we readers. If there is one consolation in this world, it lies in the pen and its stories.

Of course I am continuing LotR, though I am leagues behind you! Defeat is unacceptable! The quest shall be completed!!!

Long breaks make me guiltily think of all those regents and AP's I should be studying for.

Btw, going to see Percy Jackson on Friday (or sometime later)? I know I am. :D (Speaking of Percy, the Disney/Hyperion website has the first chapter of the Kane book. Go to Riordan's profile and follow some links. It's not very exciting so far - it's his "let me capture those unsophisticated middle schoolers" tone of writing. Ah well. I think I'll wait for the library to find a copy. I should have had the patience with Fire, grr....)

Luv (enjoy the snow!),
Daria


message 5: by I am Bastet (new) - added it

I am Bastet LOVE this review! Oh man, I had the same reaction about the bastard children running around, and the sex lives thing. When I got to the part about Hanna being Brigan's child, I was like "REALLY?" and then "oh, NOW I get it. Fire can't have children because they'd be MONSTERS OMG. So her future lover conveniently already has one! Gotcha!" And all the pregnancies were the result of "I forgot to take my conveniently placed contraceptive herb!" Or "Oh, I don't want to take the herb. I won't get preggo!" Seriously?


message 6: by Daria (last edited Jun 06, 2010 01:43PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Daria Isis wrote: "LOVE this review! Oh man, I had the same reaction about the bastard children running around, and the sex lives thing. When I got to the part about Hanna being Brigan's child, I was like "REALLY?" a..."

Seriously. I think that this should've been one of those long-winded soap operas they write for TV. Pointless and ridiculous drama galore.

But thanks for liking my review. ;D


message 7: by Annie (new)

Annie Baker Thanks so much for your review! I was going to choose this book for my daughter's next book club pick for a group of children ages 11-14. I read a synopsis that made it out to be a mere fantasy/magic genre book for ages 12+ in which a kingdom's safety was lying in the hands of one powerfully magical heroine who had not quite come to terms with her own potential to save the kingdom. Imagine my level of embarrassment when the kids would have started getting to all the sex & rape & period aspects of this book! With kids that young & a group w both males & females who have all been very sheltered, it would have been a major disaster! Whew! You saved me a lot of awkwardness! I really can't believe the website selling this book has the target age group as 12+. What you've described seems pretty heavy for 6th graders to be reading. I wonder if Graceling is just as bad?! I already bought that book for my daughter, but I haven't given it to her yet.....


message 8: by Daria (last edited Sep 26, 2012 09:33AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Daria Hi Annie. I'm glad my irate ramblings were of any help!

Graceling I enjoyed more than Fire. It is certainly less angsty. It is rather dark and moody (I don't want to say entirely "brutal" , but the main antagonist is a sadist and the heroine is exploited as a murderer-for-hire, so you get the gist). Nothing unmanageable, but I suppose it does depends on how sheltered the reader is, as you say. Some (not graphic) sex included.

If you do want a great book where, to paraphrase, a kingdom's safety lies in the hands of one powerful heroine who has not quite come to terms with her own potential to save the kingdom, then I highly, highly recommend Stuart Hill's The Cry of the Icemark. I actually referenced it above in my review. It's a lengthy book, about 500 pages, but don't let that daunt you. I read it when I was in 6th grade, and it rocked my world. It'll probably remain my favorite book of all time. Yes, it's about a 13-year old crown princess trying to save her country from an invasion by an unvanquishable army, so it is a book about war - but it's also about friendship, courage, tolerance, and humility. It's awesome from page one to the very last letter. It might just be what you're looking for.


message 9: by Allison (new)

Allison I almost got half way through this book before giving up and after reading this review I really feel like I made the right choice. This book is a pile of poop.


Kenny well how could you not like it I mean it was way better than graceling. To not like that book is to not see the bright side in books


message 11: by Daria (new) - rated it 1 star

Daria Kenny wrote: "well how could you not like it I mean it was way better than graceling. To not like that book is to not see the bright side in books"

Well, each to his or her own, I guess. Fire had made me feel not at all bright...


James Ager Do you really hate this book so much you have time to write your own book on it


message 13: by Layne (new) - rated it 1 star

Layne Gish Thank you SO much for writing that review, Daria. I went into Fire thinking that I would love the book as much as I loved the other two. Man, was I wrong! What you said about Fire matched my opinion of the book PERFECTLY. I could not stand Fire’s character and her actions. Besides maybe one or two scenes that I felt was nice for her character, everything else that she did made me want to scream bloody murder! All the sex parts of the book, “so-and-so got so-and-so pregnant” and how the plot was so much like a soap opera made me furious. I really hate this book so much that I cannot even reread it. I’ve reread Graceling eight times, Bitterblue three times, and I still can’t force myself to pick Fire back up. I was sorely disappointed with Fire. I love Kristin Cashore, but something went WRONG while writing this book.


James Ager It's really not a bad book certainly the worst in the series but not terrible


message 15: by Ikg (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ikg I completely disagree with this review. I love the book and think it was well written.


Monica Fire is a mirror image of Graceling. I remember feeling exactly the same way, and I was surprised that I hadn't seen anyone calling this out when I was first researching the series. So glad to see this in your review!


Starsreader Very much hits the reading experience I had of this book, well written review.


Connie Exactly what I thought and it relieved me to read your review. I was appalled by some of the writing and would suggest Cashore to take a lesson on punctuation or to hire a better editor. "Archer had been the one to notice how closely this ancient tree hugged the house and how easily he could climb it in the dark, two years ago, when Cansrel had still been alive, and Archer had been eighteen and Fire had been fifteen and their friendship had evolved in a manner Cansrel's guards hadn't need to know the particulars of." Seriously?


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