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Reasons to Stay Alive by Matt Haig
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I Did It My Way

I had a bum gall bladder for about 20 years. Twice a year I would provoke the thing to pass stones after a dose of anchovies or other purine-rich delights. I am told by several women-sufferers of the condition that the pain is comparable to that of childbirth. In my case it would often last three days with no respite, no sleep, and frequently no hope except for oblivion. Eventually, after specialist medical counsel, I had the offending organ removed. No problems since, although I do feel a little dread every time I sense a little heartburn coming on.

I recount this piece of medical history because although I have experienced the pain, and indeed degradation, of bodily disfunction, I don’t consider myself in any way qualified to give advice on the subject. I have much sympathy for fellow-sufferers and urge them to seek help when I’m aware of a need. But I would never suggest a treatment to someone else, particularly not in the middle of an attack. The likely response would be about the same as a woman in labour: ‘F-off and get this to stop!’

Matt Haig has a very different opinion of both himself and medicine than I do. He has gone through some pretty tough times. In his mid-twenties he suddenly developed acute depression that led him literally to the edge of suicide. His pain and despair were intense. His memoir is a blow-by-blow of the stages of his condition, his feelings and thoughts as it progressed, and his ultimate emergence from what many describe as a complete loss of self. His account serves two purposes he says: to publicise the character of the condition in the hope of reducing the stigma sometimes attached to it; and to use his skill as a writer to articulate his own experience as part of his own therapy. Both are laudable intentions.

But Haig, unfortunately, goes considerably beyond these intentions in offering advice and counsel to those suffering similar affliction. And it is here that I think he does a disservice to the rest of us as well as himself. Haig seems to believe that the way you should deal with people who have lost any reason to stay alive, the most dramatic symptom of depression, is to provide them reasons for staying alive. Yet he is very aware that people in severe pain don’t want his advice: “If you have ever believed a depressive wants to be happy, you are wrong. They could not care less about the luxury of happiness. They just want to feel an absence of pain.” But Haig carries on regardless in what seems like self-obsession.

Like other cases of depression, Haig’s is probably unique. Among other things he was desperately frightened of taking the drugs that might have helped him. This makes some sense since his condition likely may have been provoked by one drug in particular - alcohol. He considers himself fortunate to have recovered without meds because he was able to feel “very in tune” with himself during the process. His message from this side of his ordeal is pretty clear if more than a bit unexpected. Not ‘lay off the booze, it could catch up with you.’ Rather, ‘avoid the therapeutic drugs; they may not work, they’re addictive, and they deplete your inner resources for dealing with the malady.’ A sort of pep talk for lickin’ the thing like a real man.

Haig thinks that depression is the result of the mind lying to itself, about itself and about its future. According to Haig, the lying is mainly about self-worth - how disappointing he has been to those who live him and to himself in terms of potential. This is an interesting idea. It takes the essence of what we typically mean by ‘mind,’ namely conscious reflectiveness, and makes it its own worst enemy, an ultimate auto-immune condition, mental AIDS, only a lot more mysterious.

But then Haig ignores this interesting idea in favour of another suggestion: “All we can do, for the moment, is really all we need to do – listen to ourselves.” Yup, listen to our lying selfs. That’ll get us through. Haig claims “in the absence of universal certainties, we are our own best laboratory.” Flying solo. Listening to that inner auto-pilot who just led us to the brink of destruction. What could go wrong?

Haig’s auto-pilot in fact has a very rigid philosophical (or religious) programme: “It is a hard thing to accept, that death and decay and everything bad leads to everything good, but I for one believe it.” The defensiveness in the remark is obvious. He has no reason to believe this. It is literally a matter of faith which he needs in order to provide himself reasons for living. What he fears most, perhaps, is that this faith is a lie. To admit the possibility of the Gnostic conviction about utter corruption of the world would destroy his happy ending. So he won’t even consider it, even though he thinks, “The world is increasingly designed to depress us.” The Good is out there somewhere. It’s elusiveness is just part of its goodness apparently. Looking on the bright side is a therapeutic suggestion that is as impossible as it is trivial.

Love and books are what saved Haig, especially the latter and especially books about or by fellow-depressives. In other words things that allowed him to feel less alone. Other things - travel, running - fit into this basic therapeutic regime. But within this, there is the macho Haig, determined to beat this thing on his own: “each time I forced myself out there in the cold grey damp of a West Yorkshire morning, and pushed myself to run for an hour, it gave me a little bit of depression-beating power. A little bit of that ‘you’d better be careful with who you are messing with’ spirit.” His not infrequent suggestions that overcoming depression involves an act of will are… well, depressing.

Don’t get me wrong. Haig’s descriptions of his breakdown and what he went through subsequently are an important case study. But his suggestions, implicit as well as explicit, about how to deal with depression range from the trivial (eat well) to the absurd (tell yourself better stories), and sound like whistling in the dark. Haig says he has benefitted therapeutically by writing the book. I believe him. But being a depressive doesn’t make one an expert on depression. Yet Haig subsequently wrote a novel (https://www.goodreads.com/review/show... ) putting forth every one of his ‘tenets’ for successfully overcoming the condition.

Looking on the bright side, Haig’s memoir has convinced me not to continue with my book on gall stones and their meaning in the cosmos. I hope the world will not be less without it. It is after all a much needed gap in the market.
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Sophy H BlackOxford, I was so looking forward to your book on gallstones in the cosmos as well! You spoilsport you!


BlackOxford Sophy wrote: "BlackOxford, I was so looking forward to your book on gallstones in the cosmos as well! You spoilsport you!"

Thinking about: maybe there is a market. Clearly ~I need to research the matter.


Sophy H 😅😅 exactly!


message 4: by Nick (new)

Nick Grammos Hmm, going through some deep long traumatic journey and surviving, then professing answers. Sounds a little fishy... Or like I've heard that before somewhere.


message 5: by BlackOxford (last edited Aug 16, 2021 04:54AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

BlackOxford Nick wrote: "Hmm, going through some deep long traumatic journey and surviving, then professing answers. Sounds a little fishy... Or like I've heard that before somewhere."

Beowulf for starters. The again Homer had something to say.🤓


message 6: by Beth (new)

Beth While I am not familiar with Gnosticism I wonder if a '70s small-US-Catholic-parish upbringing might account for some of the recognizable parallels between Haig's attitude or approach toward his depression, and my own. In any case those fixes do indeed have the feeling of putting a little bandage over a gaping wound.


BlackOxford Beth wrote: "While I am not familiar with Gnosticism I wonder if a '70s small-US-Catholic-parish upbringing might account for some of the recognizable parallels between Haig's attitude or approach toward his de..."

It could be, Beth. I share your background in that respect and can attest to the crazy-making environment of 20th century Catholicism. It sticks with you a lifetime and ain’t easy to shed when things get tough.


message 8: by Sheryl (new)

Sheryl Well, at least he's consistent.😆 The problem with suicidal people that there are reasons to live is they're in so much pain reasoning like that simply doesn't work. Gee, it never occurred to me my children need me, never mind! It's too bad he vilifies medication since it helps many people. I appreciate your further exploration after The Midnight Library.


message 9: by Sheryl (new)

Sheryl Sorry, I needed to proofread.


message 10: by Nelson (new)

Nelson Zagalo I understand the need to want to give more than just an account of his case. But as you say very well, it is not enough to experience depression to become an expert in psychology.

In fact, he wrote what he believed in, and was lucky enough to be heard. The feedback was strong, and so he continues to write more of the same :)


BlackOxford Sheryl wrote: "Well, at least he's consistent.😆 The problem with suicidal people that there are reasons to live is they're in so much pain reasoning like that simply doesn't work. Gee, it never occurred to me my ..."

Thanks. He is indeed consistent. Every view in the memoir gets a place in the novel.


BlackOxford Nelson wrote: "I understand the need to want to give more than just an account of his case. But as you say very well, it is not enough to experience depression to become an expert in psychology.

In fact, he wrot..."


It very well could be that his core issue is the unwillingness to confront the possibility of an unhappy end - for the cosmos as well as himself.


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Nelson Zagalo By the way, leave this text here for people interested in the subject:

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/16/r...


BlackOxford Nelson wrote: "By the way, leave this text here for people interested in the subject:

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/16/r..."


Good one. Thanks Nelson.


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   Jonathan Mckay +1 to BlackOxford's cosmic galstone magnum opus!


BlackOxford Jonathan wrote: "+1 to BlackOxford's cosmic galstone magnum opus!"

I’ll put you on the mailing list shall I?


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superawesomekt I can't believe you endured 20 years. I lasted 2 months.


message 18: by Michael (new)

Michael Perkins you and Matt don't seem to be on the same page per his books


message 19: by Greg (new)

Greg Have a feeling that book would be galling. But you may well have the stones to get away with it.


message 20: by Matthew (new)

Matthew Berg You were lucky. I was on my third or fourth attack (only recognized in retrospect) before landing in the emergency room. Stone blocked a bile duct and developed into acute pancreatitis. Spent mine days in the hospital; the first seven "nil per os". I got IV fluids and eventually parenteral nutrition instead.

Even after getting stabilized they couldn't remove the traitorous organ until a pseudocyst in my pancreas shrunk.

I think there may be some sort of metaphor in there about trying to power through things maybe. :)


message 21: by Nick (new)

Nick Grammos BlackOxford wrote: "Nick wrote: "Hmm, going through some deep long traumatic journey and surviving, then professing answers. Sounds a little fishy... Or like I've heard that before somewhere."

Beowulf for starters. T..."


I was thinking more prophets who came out of deserts to proselytise.


BlackOxford superawesomekt wrote: "I can't believe you endured 20 years. I lasted 2 months."

I had an early ambition to martyrhood.🤷‍♂️


BlackOxford Michael wrote: "you and Matt don't seem to be on the same page per his books"

Not even the same library.


BlackOxford Greg wrote: "Have a feeling that book would be galling. But you may well have the stones to get away with it."

Someone, somewhere had to say that. But I never guessed it would come from Ohio. 👨‍🌾


BlackOxford Matthew wrote: "You were lucky. I was on my third or fourth attack (only recognized in retrospect) before landing in the emergency room. Stone blocked a bile duct and developed into acute pancreatitis. Spent mine ..."

It’s a bummer isn’t it. I thought the first few of mine were some sort of stomach bug. Doctors didn’t catch it. I decided it must be my fate. Just another example of design flaws in the human body. What a relief to be rid of the thing, huh?


BlackOxford Nick wrote: "BlackOxford wrote: "Nick wrote: "Hmm, going through some deep long traumatic journey and surviving, then professing answers. Sounds a little fishy... Or like I've heard that before somewhere."

Beo..."


Them too. Beware humans in prophet’s clothing.


message 27: by Matthew (new)

Matthew Berg BlackOxford wrote: "It’s a bummer isn’t it. I thought the first few of mine were some sort of stomach bug. Doctors didn’t catch it. I decided it must be my fate. Just another example of design flaws in the human body. What a relief to be rid of the thing, huh?"

Yep. Excited to see what part of me breaks down next!


BlackOxford Matthew wrote: "BlackOxford wrote: "It’s a bummer isn’t it. I thought the first few of mine were some sort of stomach bug. Doctors didn’t catch it. I decided it must be my fate. Just another example of design flaw..."

I know what you mean. I feel like an old Harley with bits falling off along the road. I’m starting to plan the annual op.


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Andrew The darkness of your scepticism is both amusing and enlightening: it allows me to laugh amidst the pain. So long as the pain is not too great. I conveniently forget just how much every day I fabricate cushions between me and the grimness of reality, and when I stupidly remember, I reach for a prescription pill and turn to some anodyne soporific, like watching the telly, or reading someone else's book reviews. I soon forget my depression - till I wake up the next bloody morning! Thanks for the gall-stone anecdote; I feel much better.


BlackOxford Sceptic? Moi? Au contraire. Far too much effort involved in fighting opinion. And for so little return. I believe everything people tell me about themselves. I know they’re lying but they’ve forgotten they lie long ago. They think they’re saying something meaningful. I understand, but I don’t really pay attention. Not paying attention annoys some folk, but they’ll just have to live with that… or not, as they please.


message 31: by Kamakana (last edited Aug 18, 2021 05:31PM) (new)

Kamakana because my 'manic-depression symptoms' are from serious brain injury, subsequent coma, i do not know these years (decades...) later exactly what therapies i have not tried, just a lot of various drugs, but do not think they have much helped me to think metaphysically about the meaning of depression... i stay alive because, well, what is the option here...


message 32: by Jeri (new)

Jeri Another hilarious and helpful review.


BlackOxford Michael wrote: "because my 'manic-depression symptoms' are from serious brain injury, subsequent coma, i do not know these years (decades...) later exactly what therapies i have not tried, just a lot of various dr..."

Now there’s a reason.


BlackOxford Jeri wrote: "Another hilarious and helpful review."

Thanks, Jeri. Just trying to fill those much needed gaps in the market.


message 35: by Cris (new)

Cris Amazing review! One of the most articulate pieces of writing I've ever come across! I can only imagine what a novel of yours would read like.


BlackOxford Cris wrote: "Amazing review! One of the most articulate pieces of writing I've ever come across! I can only imagine what a novel of yours would read like."

Ah, if only there were the talent. But my mind constructs only paragraphs not chapters. I’m afraid the essay is my milieu and the limit of my ability. But thanks for the compliment.


message 37: by Dirk (new)

Dirk Thoughtful and informative comments!


BlackOxford Dirk wrote: "Thoughtful and informative comments!"

Thanks Dirk.


message 39: by Samuel (new)

Samuel Brilliant! As always. Even if it is essays only, please do write a book. For our sake.


BlackOxford Samuel wrote: "Brilliant! As always. Even if it is essays only, please do write a book. For our sake."

Tack, Samuel. Men jag har helt enkelt inte förmågan.


Robin Thank you! I was thinking the same thing!


carol. (not getting notifications) "Flying solo. Listening to that inner auto-pilot who just led us to the brink of destruction....“It is a hard thing to accept, that death and decay and everything bad leads to everything good, but I for one believe it.” The defensiveness in the remark is obvious. He has no reason to believe this. It is literally a matter of faith which he needs in order to provide himself reasons for living."

Found your review when I was considering the book. A brilliant deconstruction of a book, and a perspective that I am sure I would share. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

Also, +1 to the comments above. I too am looking forward to the gallstone book... and more galling comments on its potential. 😁


BlackOxford carol. wrote: ""Flying solo. Listening to that inner auto-pilot who just led us to the brink of destruction....“It is a hard thing to accept, that death and decay and everything bad leads to everything good, but ..."

So much harmful junk gets published. Proving, if more proof were needed, that most people are stupid as well as evil. My gallstone memoir is in the works as an antidote.


message 44: by Nick (new)

Nick Grammos When you cover the gallstones, will there be much gallbladder history, too. I'd be most interested in stories of bile.


BlackOxford Nick wrote: "When you cover the gallstones, will there be much gallbladder history, too. I'd be most interested in stories of bile."

Good one, Nick.


message 46: by ROBYN (new) - added it

ROBYN MARKOW Haig doesn't claim to be a medical expert on Depression; he just describes how he copes w/it . I'm on meds for it myself but if he decided they weren't for him,so be it.


BlackOxford ROBYN wrote: "Haig doesn't claim to be a medical expert on Depression; he just describes how he copes w/it . I'm on meds for it myself but if he decided they weren't for him,so be it."

Read a bit more closely. The book is not a phenomenology. It may be therapeutic but it also claims to be instructive. It’s like a cancer patient presuming to be an expert on cancer.


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Peter Mathews You wouldn't have the gall...


message 49: by ROBYN (new) - added it

ROBYN MARKOW True; it's not perfect but I'd rather read a book about Depression from someone whose actually experienced it than a medical professional who hasn't. I just take the best from this book and leave the rest, since w/my bad back I'm not about to take up running. But exercise does help me emotionally ,even though I feel hit by a steamroller the next day from it due to having fibromyalgia..


BlackOxford ROBYN wrote: "True; it's not perfect but I'd rather read a book about Depression from someone whose actually experienced it than a medical professional who hasn't. I just take the best from this book and leave t..."

I feel you, as the kids say. My back let me down decades ago. Waking without a new pain is a good day.


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