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The Discomfort of Evening by Marieke Lucas Rijneveld
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bookshelves: dutch, fiction-in-translation, fiction-21st-century, psych, religion

“I know, though, that we'd have to come from a better family to be able to bury our childhood - we'd have to lie under a layer of earth ourselves, but the time isn't ripe for that yet.”

How can I write about this book? The Discomfort of Evening by Dutch author Marieke Lucas Rijneveld was awarded the International Man Booker Prize for 2020 and I see many very bright and thoughtful people here could either not finish the book or ended up so disturbed by it that they one-starred it. Being Dutch-American, I’d been feeling I should read more Dutch books, and here was one that was supposedly good. And I agreed, but not without putting it down a few times and despite a nightmare or two. But that was the author’s intent, to capture the horrors of trauma. Hey, a book for our times. So this won’t exactly be a review, but I’ll say I, too, was deeply disturbed by the book even as I was completely taken in by the ten-year-old girl narrator. There’s much lyrical writing and many starkly painful descriptions of death, sexual acts, animal cruelty.

What’s it about? The story is told by Jas, who loses her brother after she prays for him to die rather than her rabbit. And then the whole family, living on a dairy farm, steeped in the Dutch Reformed Church, falls apart in grief and madness--Mom stops eating and openly admits she wants to die; Dad shuts down and goes into his own madness even as he also loses his cattle to disease, and the three remaining kids are left to fend for themselves, rudderless. The spectre of a noose is present throughout.

There’s a lot of disturbing vulnerable or vicious coming-of-age books--I’ve read Foster and The Ice Palace recently; there’s Lord of the Flies--that defy the often commonplace understanding that youth is about innocence and adulthood about corruption. That’s part of this book, for sure, that the horrors of the world can shape you--break you--even at the earliest ages. The children in Lydia Millet’s The Children’s Bible--for the most part good kids-- are left to raise themselves. The kids in Rinjeveld’s book are mostly not handling things well, but why do they have to be? They’re in trauma, and they’re kids.

But it’s something else, too. I’m Dutch-American, as I said. My grandparents on both my mother’s and father’s sides--Schaafsmas and Kuypers--came over to the US in the late nineteenth century; both families lived in the Groningen area. The Schaafsmas were sheep farmers for generations. My mother’s family, coopers, barrel-makers, cask-makers-- had in its lineage the Dutch theologian and politician Abraham Kuyper, aligned with John Calvin. Both of my parents' families settled in Dutch western Michigan--the Holland and Grand Rapids area. They spoke Dutch and never taught us; they also spoke Frisian with each other at times.

I knew (a little, maybe wrongly) that a lot of Dutch families came to the US because of religious oppression. Many were extremists. The Reformed Church featured in this book is one with which I am familiar, though the dark madness Rijneveld depicts I never personally knew. My family is/was largely sane and loving. But I knew of the Protestant Reformed Church, where kids dressed in clothes without bright colors, no tv or radio, no Sunday work or play; my family's version is called the Christian Reformed Church--I also couldn’t play outside and we couldn’t watch TV on Sunday, either--my parents went to church three days on Sunday, one service all in Dutch; I was required to go twice on Sunday. I was forced by my family and church to make public Profession of Faith and the elders urged me to renounce all worldly pursuits, including the watching of films and contemporary music and dancing. I refused. But my religion banned dancing; we did, anyway; we could these events "foot functions."

I really do not know if this is true but we had heard, growing up, that there were more churches per square mile in the Zeeland area of Michigan, near Holland, than any other place in the country, but also more venereal disease and teenage pregnancy. Repression. I and my friends snorted with dark laughter when we heard this in the early seventies.

The Dutch Reformed Church shapes much of the horror of this book. It provides the basic grim background, and is foregrounded many times when Dad quotes from The Bible--"The Authorized Version." It begins with the death of a brother but the religious extremism provides no comfort, only further horror. Is it fair to Dutch Christians? Everything the mad Dad quotes from the Bible to threaten his children I know. But this Dad is crazed in a way I have never met.

“I’ve discovered that there are two ways of losing your belief: some people lose God when they find themselves; some people lose God when they lose themselves.”

In my church as I grew up--steeped in a Calvinist first principle of Original Sin as a way of understanding all the bad in the world--I heard much more about sin than love, much more about Hell than Heaven. My church was one of the most conservative in western Michigan, though my family was happy, not brutal or cruel. In this book the parents are just lost, and thus the kids are.

Jas has deft and lyrical observations, but she is spinning in her grief and her own madness:

“I nod and think about the teacher who said I’d go far with my empathy and boundless imagination, but in time I’d have to find words for it because otherwise everything and everybody stays inside you. And one day, just like the black stockings which my classmates sometimes tease me about wearing because we’re Reformists – even though I never wear black stockings – I will crumple in on myself until I can only see darkness, eternal darkness.”

“I don’t want to feel any sadness, I want action; something to pierce my days, like bursting a blister with a pin so that the pressure is eased.”

“Later I sometimes thought that this was when the emptiness began. . .”

At one point Jas decides to never take off her coat:

“Nobody knows my heart. It's hidden deep inside my coat, my skin, my ribs. My heart was important for nine months inside my mother's belly, but once I left the belly, everyone stopped caring whether it beat enough times per hour. No one worries when it stops or begins to beat fast, telling me there must be something wrong.”

I left the Dutch Reformed Church that I saw in my experience--though I had friends who had much better and more uplifting and loving experiences--was dark and repressive and joyless. I think that this is a book about loss, grief, madness, framed by the darkness of a religion that provides no relief, no succor, no healing balm, no joy. What happens in the book as the family descends into madness is very disturbing though also is filled with amazing observations and lyrical language, too. It’s horrible and heart-breaking and at the same time kind of amazingly depicted at times. I am quite sure it is too graphic for many people and I understand that and warn you.

“We find ourselves in loss and we are who we are – vulnerable beings, like stripped starling chicks that fall naked from their nests and hope they’ll be picked up again.”
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Reading Progress

July 28, 2020 – Shelved
July 28, 2020 – Shelved as: to-read
January 9, 2023 – Started Reading
January 9, 2023 – Shelved as: dutch
January 9, 2023 – Shelved as: fiction-in-translation
January 9, 2023 – Shelved as: fiction-21st-century
January 12, 2023 – Finished Reading
January 13, 2023 – Shelved as: psych
January 13, 2023 – Shelved as: religion

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JimZ This is a dark read David. It contains graphic unpleasant events. Animal abuse. Incest. I am not painting a pretty picture here and I know it. Yet, this won the 2020 International Booker Prize. It has gotten strong reviews from different literary and newspaper entities. None of them sugarcoat what I was disturbed about. The plot is within the realm of possibility and the writing for the most part was very good. I think you should keep it on your TBR list. I’m sure you’ll here more about this over the next several months.


Dave Schaafsma Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Jim. I think I will read it.


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David Bruggink The unique Dutch religious angle makes this sound interesting to me. My family came from the Dutch Catholic church but it seems repression was omnipresent there as well. Thanks for the thoughtful review!


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Moira Macfarlane This was a very interesting review, especially because you intertwined it with your personal background. I knew you must have some Dutch connection as Schaafsma is indeed a very Dutch name :-D


Dave Schaafsma And did!


Dave Schaafsma David wrote: "The unique Dutch religious angle makes this sound interesting to me. My family came from the Dutch Catholic church but it seems repression was omnipresent there as well. Thanks for the thoughtful r..."

Well, it is not easy, just to say. I am sure some people would say it is too hard on religion, the Reformed Church, and others would say it is just one view of one family. But is brutal. A horror story.


Dave Schaafsma Moira wrote: "This was a very interesting review, especially because you intertwined it with your personal background. I knew you must have some Dutch connection as Schaafsma is indeed a very Dutch name :-D"

Since my parents and their parents spoke Frisian we understood we were in particular Frisian, Moira. I had heard that at one time an ancestor had been mayor of Groningen, but I have never looked into it. When we were small we were curious about our Dutch heritage but my parents-seeing the rough treatment other nationalities had faced in emigrating to the US, we were told we could not learn Dutch. They wanted us to assimilate and be "American," erasing our heritage, which was a common approach during that time. Today we have many people that still resist refugees, and yet there is a greater move to celebrate cultural heritage, preserve language and so on.


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Yules I will steer clear of the novel, which sounds too disturbing for me, but this was a fascinating review, thank you.


Dave Schaafsma Yules wrote: "I will steer clear of the novel, which sounds too disturbing for me, but this was a fascinating review, thank you."

It's like a psychological dystopia. Everything falls apart. Are there families like ths in the world? Sure. But why is it good? The writing, and this girl, who sometimes acknowledges her damage and then participates in her own madness. I don't think most people can read the book and not be disturbed by it. But I think it is amazing on many levels. I have since read rthis eviews that complain she is being deliberately over-the-top shocking for shock's sake, that is sort of horror porn, and I think that is a possible way to see it, but I disagree. And then warn people, too. Right after this I started to read I am Lucy Barton by Elizabeth Strout and she is also a kind of victim of her family and I had to stop reading it for a bit, too much trauma reading in a week.


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JimZ Thanks for the review and your personal interactions with the Dutch Reformed Church. Very interesting....


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Moira Macfarlane Dave wrote: "Moira wrote: "This was a very interesting review, especially because you intertwined it with your personal background. I knew you must have some Dutch connection as Schaafsma is indeed a very Dutch..."
I can relate to your story. Visions and ideas move with the times and, of course, are also coloured by what parents want to pass on to their children.


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Fifi Thank you for sharing this, Dave.


message 13: by Rebecca (last edited Jan 15, 2023 01:20AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Rebecca Dave this review is wonderful! I cannot agree with you more. This was one of my Top 3 books read last year. I still can’t stop thinking about it! I agree it’s not for everyone. But as for me, it blew me away 🙏🏻💖💖


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Dave Schaafsma Christopher wrote: "I'd count myself among the dispositionally miserable enough to probably find some beauty in this book. Thank you for shining a light on the author's experience by sharing about your own."

Thanks, Chris. I am not sure it so much beauty in the conventional sense as in the beauty--ala Beckett--of the depiction of the struggles. But it may be what others call "triggering" in some ways for some readers. There may be a thread of despair in it, too much.


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Dave Schaafsma JimZ wrote: "Thanks for the review and your personal interactions with the Dutch Reformed Church. Very interesting...."

You are welcome, Jim.


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Dave Schaafsma Fifi wrote: "Thank you for sharing this, Dave."

You are welcome, Fifi!


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Dave Schaafsma Rebecca wrote: "Dave this review is wonderful! I cannot agree with you more. This was one of my Top 3 books read last year. I still can’t stop thinking about it! I agree it’s not for everyone. But as for me, it bl..."

Your review was the first one I read after I wrote my review, Rebecca, and it is terrific. I like, too, one of the one-starred reviews, she just howling in protest: "I hate hate hate this book. And the writing is perfect."


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Jefferson Wow, Dave, thank you for sharing your response to this book in the context of your family history. It scares me and makes me feel thankful that I was "raised" (until I was about eleven) as a Unitarian, feeling resentful that I had to go to church (Sunday School) once a Sunday until my sisters and revolted from our Mother's desire for us all to go to church once a week (she freed us from that participation rather easily). Also, I can picture you descending from sheep-farmers and coopers :-))


message 19: by Dave (last edited Jan 17, 2023 07:17AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Dave Schaafsma I had for much of my life been told that since some generations of my family had been sheep farmers, shepherds, that Schaafsma meant shepherd, but in fact, sheep is schaap! A schaaf is a (wood) plane(r), or scraper, what carpenters do to wood, so a Schaafsma is a carpenter, and some of my Frisian ancestors were clearly carpenters. Not me, a teacher. And don't forget, not just coopers, but famous Dutch theologians in my past! And I hear that one was the mayor Of Groningen, but I can't yet conform that. But me, an English teacher, a writer, an agnostic.... I might have been a different person, though, had I been a Unitarian.


message 20: by MaryCatherine (new)

MaryCatherine I’m always interested in books that process trauma, especially family and religious abuse. I don’t read them all. Sometimes, I am pleased to read a good review by someone who has some comprehension of the toxic mixture of abuse and religion. Thank you for a thoughtful review.


message 21: by Dave (last edited Jan 20, 2023 07:44AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Dave Schaafsma You are welcome. Most of the world I think associates Calvinism (the foundation of the Dutch Reformed Church) as dark religion. But to be fair, I actually read the two volume Calvin's Institutes when I was twenty, and was surprised to find Calvin more life-affirming and positive than many of his followers. But I also became life-long friends with many who were not negative, who were loving and fun and creative and joyful. And I never knew anything like the madness and psychological abuse this book describes. But it's a novel, a story of one family, not a screed against religion per se, as I see it. But most trauma novels and memoirs have a silver lining, hope, a transformation. This one is insightful about the trauma, but not hopeful in my view. But that does not mean it isn't powerful. I imagine that Booker committee felt punched in the gut by it, and thought, there is nothing else in this pile of long-listed books like this. They probably knew it might not be a popular choice.


robin friedman Interesting review, but I didn't like ths book.


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