Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer's Reviews > The Discomfort of Evening

The Discomfort of Evening by Lucas Rijneveld
Rate this book
Clear rating

by
35482263
Winner of the 2020 International Booker Prize.

I nod and think about the teacher who said I’d go far with my empathy and boundless imagination, but in time I’d have to find words for it because otherwise everything and everybody stays inside you. And one day, just like the black stockings which my classmates sometimes tease me about wearing because we’re Reformists – even though I never wear black stockings – I will crumple in on myself until I can only see darkness, eternal darkness.


Having been chosen with a group of other Goodreads friends to read “Tyll” as part of the Reading Agency’s shadowing of the 2020 International Booker Prize, I decided to read the rest of the shortlist – something I had previously decided not to do and instead concentrate my reading time (severely hampered by COVID-19) on the Women’s Prize longlist.

I had some concerns about this book before I began given: one of the same friends had abandoned it; another marked it as “difficult to enjoy … gratuitous … an exercise in breaking as many taboo’s as possible”

Barry Pierce in the Irish Times describing it as part of a trend of novels that “focus on .. grotesque characters written almost grotesquely”, a genre he describes as “abject fiction” with as its “ur text” Eileen Mosfegh’s “Eileen” – possibly in view the most execrable book ever to be longlisted for the Booker (albeit as much due to the ridiculous plot as the scatological writing). It is a genre which I seem to strongly dislike and avoid on Philippians 4:8 grounds; although genetically I seem pre-disposed towards it (my clone being a particular fan of Patti Yumi Cottrell, a persistent practitioner - and of this book).

The story of this autobiographically influenced book is simple.

Jas, is a 10 year old girl, living with her two brothers, sister and strict Dutch Reformed parents on a dairy farm in late 2000 through to 2001. The book opens immediately with tragedy – her brother Matthies drowns after falling through the ice in a long distance skating race (the author’s own brother dying when the author was 3)– and the book examines the fall out of this tragic event on the family, functioning as an examination of dysfunctional grief.

Jas blames herself for the death – having struck a bargain with God to save her pet rabbit (which she was convinced was being fattened up ready for Christmas). Her mother reverts to a form of eating disorder – repeatedly cutting out elements of her diet in a form of self-purging/fasting. Her father sinks even further than ever into anger and silence, something provoked still further by the destruction of his dairy herd after Foot and Mouth sweeps from the UK across Holland. And the children descend into experimenting with a mix of self-harm, animal abuse and sexual exploration.

The imagery in the book is strong – Jas drawing strongly on his farm experience to try (and normally fail) to make sense of the world around him.

The sight of his brother’s dead body is

“Matthies’s face was as pale as fennel”


As he struggles with his inner demons:

“There weren’t any words to take the edge off fear, the way the blades of the combine decapitated the rapeseed plants to keep only the bit you can use.”


Or as he makes sense of how his non-communicative parents could have got together, while also ruminating (an excellent choice of words by me!) on what he understands of sex via what he sees on the farm:

It’s still a mystery how our parents found each other. The thing is, Dad’s hopeless at looking. When he’s lost something it’s usually in his pocket, and when he goes to do the shopping he always comes back with something different than what was on the list: Mum’s the wrong kind of yoghurt, but one he was happy enough with and vice versa. They’ve never told us about how they met – Mum never thinks it a good time. There are rarely any good times here, and if we have them we only realize afterwards. My suspicion is that it was exactly like with the cows, that one day Granny and Grandpa opened my mum’s bedroom door and put Dad in with her like a bull. After that they shut the door and hey presto: there we were. From that day on, Dad called her ‘wife’ and Mum called him ‘husband’. On good days ‘little man’ and ‘little woman’, which I found strange, as though they were worried they’d forget each other’s sex, or that they belonged to each other.


But these excerpts are some of the few highlights. Increasingly though she draws heavily on the dark side of what sees around him in nature and in farming – her language increasingly filled with imagery of decay, blight, excrement, the mould on the left-over bakery items his father buys, rotting vegetables

When we arrived at the mangels, some of them were rotten. The mushy white pulp that looked like pus stuck to my fingers when I picked them up.


And to be honest, as so often with this genre, the sheer repetitiveness of the gross imagery turns what could be shocking into something increasingly tedious. The writers in this genre have never subscribed to the “less is more” theory of writing.

The writing becomes very predictable and easy to satire – early in my reading of the book I posted on a discussion forum

The book is growing on me like the mould on the rancid dead hamster festering in my brother’s bed, mould that reminds me of the patches my mother scrapes off our buns in turn uncovering the currants that remind me of sores on the pestilential back of our sow. As my father quotes from Leviticus “a persistent defiling mould; the novel is unclean”


Only to find to my amusement that a decaying hamster and currants (in this case like drowning beetles) featured later in the book.

The other part of my spoof quote was Biblical, Jas has been thoroughly immersed in the Bible and as any discussion in his family dries up, it’s the language of the Bible that he repeatedly reaches to.

I’ve got so many words but it’s as if fewer and fewer come out of me, while the biblical vocabulary in my head is pretty much bursting at the seams.


I found this a much more successful piece of writing by the author (themselves with a strong religious background) – the high point being this excellent analogy:

Suddenly I realize what’s going on. Everything from the recent past falls into place, all the times we were fragile, and I say, ‘This is another of the plagues from Exodus, it must be. Only they’re coming to us in the wrong order. Do you understand?’ ‘What do you mean?’ ‘Well, you had a nosebleed which meant water changed into blood. We’ve had the toad migration, head lice at school, the death of the firstborn, horseflies around the muck-heap, a grasshopper squashed by Obbe’s boot, ulcers on my tongue from the fried egg, and hailstorms.’ ‘And you think that’s why there’s a cattle plague now?’ Hanna asks with a shocked expression. She’s laid her hand on her heart, exactly above the Barbie’s ears, as though she’s not allowed to hear what we’re discussing. I nod slowly. After this, there’s one more to come, I think to myself, and that’s the worst one: darkness, total darkness, daytime eternally clad in Dad’s Sunday overcoat.


Unfortunately, the book then descends further into gratuitousness and repetitiveness – but this time its in the narrative action rather than the analogies. The (as described earlier) self-harm, animal abuse and sexual exploration is described in rather sickening detail – in a manner which I felt added little to the book and subtracted much from any ability to appreciate it.

The practitioners of this genre also do not subscribe to the “show not tell” theory of writing.

When they do, I think the book is more convincing – no more so than in the powerful ending.
There are a few other areas of the book which I find less convincing.

The first is fidelity to the set-up: a book set in 2000-01 has a narrator whose brother listens to an album from 2003 and how herself anticipates the 2006 demotion of Pluto as a planet, while also seeming to change age from 10 to 12 in only a few months (skipping 11 altogether).

More generally I did not find the age of the narrator convincing. Most attempts at writing children seem to me to over-estimate the maturity of the children; this book seems the opposite – Jas I find reads more like an 8-year-old than 10-12 year old, for example when (at least) 12:

I’d nervously shaken my head: once Mum was behind the glass of the TV set, we’d never get her back, or maybe only in pixels when the screen was snowy, and what would become of Dad then?


But maybe this is simply a narrator on the cusp of adolescence and caught between adult experimentation and childlike fears – and lacking supportive and loving parents to allow her to navigate this transition against a background of grieving.

The most touching part of the book speaks to this:

Promise me this will stay between us, dear toads, but sometimes I wish I had different parents. Do you understand that?’ I continue. ‘Parents like Belle’s who are as soft as shortbread just out of the oven and give her lots of cuddles when she’s sad, frightened or even very happy. Parents that chase away all the ghosts from under your bed, from inside your head, and run through a summary of the week with you every weekend like Dieuwertje Blok does on TV, so you don’t forget everything you achieved that week, all the things you tripped up on before scrabbling to your feet again. Parents that see you when you’re talking to them – even though I find it terrifying to look people in the eye, as though other people’s eyeballs are two lovely marbles you can continuously win or lose. Belle’s parents go on exotic holidays and make tea for her when she comes home from school. They’ve got hundreds of different sorts including aniseed and fennel, my favourite tea. Sometimes they drink it sitting on the floor because that’s more comfortable than sitting in a chair. And they horse around with each other without it turning into fighting. And they say sorry as often as they’re nasty to each other.


While most of the imagery is drawn from the bible or the farm around her, I was not sure if this quote was a failure of writing (unpleasant imagery drawn from outside those two areas) or bad translation of locusts:

When Mum and Dad rescued the beans they had just frozen, they lay wet and floppy on the kitchen table. The little green bodies looked dismal, like an exterminated plague of bush crickets.


One thing that is interesting about this year’s International Booker Prize shortlist is that (unlike some years where my impression is books are picked which were relatively obscure even in their homeland) they have picked a number of books which were very popular in their original language – this book for example (translated by Michele Hutchinson) selling 50,000+ copies despite its incredibly challenging style.

I wonder how many of the 50,000 copies were actually quietly put away well before being finished – this is a book which despite its merits I would find impossible to recommend.

If you read it you may also quietly decide to abandon part way through.

Lots of people want to run away, but the ones who really do rarely announce it beforehand: they just go.
84 likes · flag

Sign into Goodreads to see if any of your friends have read The Discomfort of Evening.
Sign In »

Reading Progress

April 3, 2020 – Shelved as: to-read
April 3, 2020 – Shelved
April 3, 2020 – Shelved as: 2020-int-booker-shortlist
April 6, 2020 – Shelved as: to-read
April 14, 2020 – Started Reading
April 14, 2020 –
page 15
5.21% "Ok so far. I enjoyed the imagery of a dead body as pale as fennel.

But I have a horrible feeling this is about to descend into Eileen territory."
April 14, 2020 –
33.0% "Very tedious. I find myself checking the % read every page."
April 14, 2020 –
50.0% "Growing on me.

Although if I was the author I would not be able to help myself but to add “like the mould on the dead hamster festering in my bed” and then add a reference to the prescriptions on mould in Leviticus."
April 15, 2020 –
75.0%
April 16, 2020 – Shelved as: 2020
April 16, 2020 – Finished Reading
August 26, 2020 – Shelved as: mbi-prize-winners

Comments Showing 1-40 of 40 (40 new)

dateDown arrow    newest »

message 1: by Neil (new) - added it

Neil As you know, I only made it a third of the way through, but this feels like a very balanced review. In my own reading, I found I was focussing too much on the "self-harm, animal abuse and sexual exploration" and the gratuitous repetition that you mention. This meant I was simultaneaously repulsed and bored by the book which is why I abandoned it. But the positives you draw out make the book sound more interesting than I could see (although not to the extent that I want to pick it up again). I can see from your quotes that there is some interesting writing going on.


Hugh Thanks - a great review!


message 3: by Tom (new) - rated it 1 star

Tom Mooney I think you've been very generous. I didn't find the writing to be particularly good. In fact, I thought it was quite laboured. And the content was pointless. I like dark books but there needs to be something underpinning it all. I didn't find it here. (or, indeed, with Hurricane Season either).


Paul Fulcher I think the real point of issue here is how necessary the darkness is. The author has said "Discomfort is pure because it’s when we’re vulnerable. It’s when we’re being ourselves instead of pretending to be who we want to be." and "The cruelty in this story is necessary because it’s part of how young people search for meaning and learn about life." I don't think everyone would agree with that - it rather goes against a religious upbringing and Phil 4:8 (although both the author and character clearly had a more old testament, fire and brimstone type upbringing) and that seems key to the novel. Hopefully the International Booker jury (given some of their other choices) are more in the author's camp and will award the novel the prize.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Tom wrote: "I think you've been very generous. I didn't find the writing to be particularly good. In fact, I thought it was quite laboured. And the content was pointless. I like dark books but there needs to b..."

Tom yes I saw your review (in fact it was the only one I had seen before the book was longlisted) and had initially marked this as a book I did not want to read

I agreed with a lot of what you said but I guess when a book has been shortlisted for a prize by judges who I respect (*) and when it has sold so well, I want to try and explore what the author was trying to do and why.

(*) albeit I think they have picked a poor shortlist - I have read the Women's prize longlist and would rate the two BI books I have read behind all but one of that list - and seem to conflate unpleasantness with literary merit.

I think there is a lot here to appreciate - even if the book is spoiled by going way to far.

In particular I did like both the biblical imagery (the plague reference was clever but its shot through with appropriately used references and imagery), I liked the odd touches of vulnerability when you realise that behind all the horror their is a desperately alone and frightened child (like the quote I give above) and I have to respect that a lot of the book is autobiographically motivated (even if the author is incapable of actually getting their dates correct!).


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Neil wrote: "As you know, I only made it a third of the way through, but this feels like a very balanced review. In my own reading, I found I was focussing too much on the "self-harm, animal abuse and sexual ex..."

Thanks Neil - given the two people I spend most time discussing books with on at least a daily basis marked this 5* and DNF I felt I needed to engage with both sides of that debate.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Paul wrote: "it rather goes against a religious upbringing ..."

Like I said in my review I think the biblical imagery coloured from an austere upbringing is excellently used.

I think this could win - firstly as any shortlisted book can always win a prize - and secondly as I think the judges have shown a (in my view misguided) bias towards the unpleasant.

But I cannot see how some of the scenes in this book are necessary in any way - they are also increasingly not at all shocking but somewhere between laughable and tedious - and I also very much doubt they reflect what actually the author experienced.

I did not mention in my review but the Hitler and Jewish references are particularly poor - even fans of the book have to I think admit they are badly judged and only a "how many taboos" can I break attempt.


Paul Fulcher This is another one - the anti-Tyll if you like - where I'm having two very different parallel conversations on this book.


message 9: by Tom (new) - rated it 1 star

Tom Mooney Well, I think partly my problem was that I had been really looking forward to it. I had earmarked it months ago as the book I was most anticipating for 2020. And it just fell flat for me.

I have no problem with dark - often I seek it out - but it just felt unbalanced.

I am reserving judgement on the MBI shortlist until I've read a couple more. Tyll I really enjoyed, for the most part.


message 10: by Paul (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul Fulcher Whereas Tyll for me has no place on the shortlist


message 11: by Neil (new) - added it

Neil It seems these two books have somehow become the red and blue corners in some kind of face-off! I am in the Tyll corner, having read that twice and this 0.3 times. I am eagerly awaiting Gumble’s review of Tyll as he seems able to steer a course through controversy!


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Whereas for me I am withholding judgement until I read it and discuss with our book group. I was not a huge fan of the other of his books I read - which also goes (but more so) for Memory Palace


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Neil wrote: "It seems these two books have somehow become the red and blue corners in some kind of face-off! I am in the Tyll corner, having read that twice and this 0.3 times. I am eagerly awaiting Gumble’s re..."

Or maybe the attitude to the debate on Tyll should be to try and stay aloof from it while keeping friendly with all sides (a little like James I and the Thirty Years war)


message 14: by Neil (new) - added it

Neil I see what you did there. So far, I have not entered into debate on either book. This one because I didn’t read enough of it to have a proper opinion.


message 15: by Paul (last edited Apr 16, 2020 10:49AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul Fulcher Also how can you not love a book with this as the soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOKwT...

NB the official Booker reading group guide has as its first question: How relevant is Jas’s age to the story? - you could have had a field day

Further reading consists of the following - first three are all brilliant novels:
Grief is the Thing with Feathers by Max Porter
Out Stealing Horses by Per Petterson
The Unseen by Roy Jacobsen
Everything I Never Told You by Celeste Ng


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Paul wrote: "Also how can you not love a book with this as the soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOKwT...


Yes I had watched that also.

Unfortunately that bought back memories to me (and I know they are different countries but the principle applies) of the Ghent and Munich Six and Cologne Carnival and music that I could not enjoy even if I were drunk!


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Paul wrote: "Grief is the Thing with Feathers by Max Porter"

As Max Porter said after (the much better) "Lanny"

“I don’t think it is impossible to have books that are difficult or confront quite dark things or are uncomfortably honest about sexuality or whatever it is, while at the same time being fundamentally kindhearted or celebratory about the human condition.”

I hope that Rijneveld comes to realise that at some point also.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Paul wrote: "Grief is the Thing with Feathers by Max Porter
Out Stealing Horses by Per Petterson
The Unseen by Roy Jacobsen"


I think we can all agree that The Unseen was a solid 4*+ read. Grief is a Thing had very mixed reviews from those on this email trail and Tom I think did not like Out Stealing Horses

But really Lanny is a better comparison to this book (while at the same time its opposite) and I think got 5* from almost every one on the trail (4* from Neil).


message 19: by Paul (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul Fulcher But the one person who thinks all 3 of those were excellent books likes this one as well. I thought they were interesting choices in that regard - albeit rather odd ones (not sure any of the three would have occurred to me whereas the other Booker reading lists I’ve seen are more obvious). I don’t think Lanny bears any resemblance to this - they are both brilliant, book of the year contenders, but generally would appeal to different people.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Both feature children with magical powers. Here the ability to time travel and skip age 11 altogether.


message 21: by Paul (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul Fulcher This isn’t (thankfully) historical fiction. That said I did spend far too long on Strange Hotel trying to reconcile the timelines both in the book and versus the previous novel (which in that case were actually consistent but it did feel a lot of reviewers had missed quite how much time elapses during the book)


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer And it was you that started the trail of anachronistic references here remember with the Pluto issue.


message 23: by Paul (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul Fulcher Yes! That one did strike me as I was convinced it happened much later - although interestingly it happened much earlier than I thought. Of course this all makes the book entirely consistent with someone looking back on their childhood (albeit this is written more in the present) - it would be odd for someone not to muddle up years, ages, timelines etc. Bit like in films where people get excited about the blooper where say a stormtrooper hits his head on a door (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQaL...) whereas the real blooper is how little this happens in films.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer As you say though they aren’t looking back


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer I had another question. I assumed most of the incidents are real unless explicitly identified as Dreams but the judge write up refers to them more as fantasies.


message 26: by Paul (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul Fulcher Gumble's Yard wrote: "I had another question. I assumed most of the incidents are real unless explicitly identified as Dreams but the judge write up refers to them more as fantasies."

related to timeline I think - a recollection of what happened written as if in the present


message 27: by Fran (new)

Fran Superb review, Gumble's Yard!


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Thanks Fran. As you can tell from the debate above some reviewers I most respect disagreed substantially on this book and I wanted to explore what is both good and bad about it (and I think there is plenty of each).


message 29: by Henk (new) - rated it 4 stars

Henk Your quote is hilarious!: "The book is growing on me like the mould on the rancid dead hamster festering in my brother’s bed, mould that reminds me of the patches my mother scrapes off our buns in turn uncovering the currants that remind me of sores on the pestilential back of our sow. As my father quotes from Leviticus “a persistent defiling mould; the novel is unclean”


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Thank you. Worryingly it turned out to be prescient also.


message 31: by Riju (new) - rated it 4 stars

Riju Das To me it’s a fictional rip off, grotesque, and surreal version of Tara Westover’s Educated


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer I think the book showed some real literary merit albeit from an immature writer trying far too hard to be transgressive.


message 33: by Lark (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lark Benobi ruminating (an excellent choice of words by me!)

this is a great review! thanks for writing it


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Thanks - its interesting to read my comment at message 32 which is basically "now the author has got this out of their system I hope their next book will live up to the clear promise they show here" - and I have just seen that is pretty well what your review says.


message 35: by Lark (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lark Benobi Gumble's Yard wrote: "and I have just seen that is pretty well what your review says. ..."

I think we've done that before. No wonder I like your reviews so much.


message 36: by Robin (new) - rated it 1 star

Robin I just love the way you concluded your review! Fantastic. Wonderful analysis.

As for me, this book went waaaaaaaay further than anything Ottessa Moshfegh has written. I am not easily disgusted and I was appalled by this book. Utterly appalled.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Thanks Robin.

This was I think a terrible choice for Internatuonal Booker Prize winner - translated fiction in the U.K. seems to wallow in its own obscurity and in excluding readers. This year the longlist seemed to decide to discard the concept of fiction and next years chair of judges is on record with his love of transgressive fiction.


message 38: by Lark (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lark Benobi I just re-read this fantastic review. Thanks, GY. And then I looked up Philippians 4:8 and I have to say those are words to live by and they pretty much sum up my reading ideals, as well.


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Thanks lark and yes they are wonderful words.


Lisa - OwlBeSatReading I must be getting soft in my old age because I’ve just removed this from my TBR trolley and it’s going in the charity shop bag in the shed. I’ve had it here for a few years and off the back of your excellent review I now know why I haven’t yet picked it up. I love a dark story but animal abuse is a strong nope for me.


back to top