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Eclipse by Stephenie Meyer
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it was ok
bookshelves: why-yes-i-ya, smotherings

snif. my link is worthless now.

this is the virgin daiquiri version of wuthering heights, all watered down, plopped in a blender, and sitting at the folding card table with the kiddies.and they are all gulping it down without knowing that the real deal is way more fun.

elizabeth has probably written the best review this book could ever get, with much wittier analogies, so go read that, then come back here for some less-articulate complaints.

i messed up. i thought i would have a nice vacation, where i would have plenty of time and concentration to lounge over our mutual friend. instead, there was drinking, and some self-pity, and vacation-langour, and i just couldn't give dickens the attention he deserves. you know who really doesn't deserve my complete attention? stephenie meyer.

and why is that? because she has grievously misinterpreted one of my favorite books and has created this sort of chimera byproduct that you can see some of the source material in if you squint, but it's mostly just wrong.

i mean, at this point in everyone's lives, the world doesn't need another eclipse review, right? so i am mostly going to just bitch about why this book misrepresents wuthering heights and why that makes me cranky.

i suppose it is ambitious of her to have attempted to pepper her vampire romance novels with elements of better works of literature like, say, shakespeare and jane austen. she made the decision to try to shoehorn these characters into the mold of another book, and just didn't bother trying to fix the parts that overflowed or got stuck together.

but you can't get mad at a puppy for pissing on the rug.

and i knew what i was getting into.

before i started reading this, i was aware that this was the wuthering heights installment of the series, so i was obligated to read it on those grounds alone, as i will read any retelling of w.h., for better or for worse. usually worse.

and elizabeth had warned me and warned me that meyer got w.h. all wrong and had reversed the roles of heathcliff and linton in a most embarrassing way, but at first, i saw no problems. bella was obviously catherine, edward was heathcliff the true love and jacob was linton,the more "appropriate" choice, right? done and done. i kept reading, shocked, thinking, "but elizabeth is never wrong! what gives??"

is she only basing this on appearance? on the superficial? edward is fair and wealthy and very understanding of bella's other ties - like linton (maybe not "understanding" in linton's case, but "ineffectual") and jacob is definitely darker-complected, like heathcliff, and tied to nature and the earth. but that shouldn't change the basic differences.

because obviously edward is the sun to bella's flower face. she cannot be without him - even an afternoon spent apart is unendurable and the intensity of their love is undeniable and unbreakable and blah and blah. jacob is her father's choice for her, which makes him linton, who is technically a better choice because there is less self-destructive passion, and choosing him allows her to remain, you know, alive.

but let's back up.

because wuthering heights was never a choice between two suitable men. it was a choice between passion and security. head and heart. and linton was never an alternative to heathcliff, catherine always just wanted it all. it was never about love, not with linton.he was simply the path of least resistance, and a means to an end. securing him meant securing a place for heathcliff, whom she could never marry. but who needs marriage when your husband is much weaker than your lover?

so, in a more modern version of the story,it makes sense to do away with the financial angle, especially with characters this young. the conflict here is between soul and body. all bella has to do is choose humanity or immortality.easy-peasy. so the reversal of edward and jacob's fortunes didn't cause me too much grief, and still maintains the distinction between edward/heathcliff and jacob/linton. the root of the conflict is the same: to go with an all-consuming passion that "eclipses" one's own self and is potentially dangerous (for so so many reasons here) or to go with the one who feels more like "family," who has the paternal approval, who will allow her to remain a living breathing human and retain her entire life...except her passion.

fine. this still parallels w.h.

and the more specific details: heathcliff goes away while catherine recovers at the linton's. and then he goes on that much longer absence, plunging her into despair. so far, so good. edward leaves bella in new moon and jacob steps in to be there for her and heals her and manages to stick a little bit of him in the space edward's leaving left.

but then it gets messy and too many of heathcliff's characteristics start leaking into jacob. because jacob is kind of a dick. forcing kisses, always smirking and pushing his boundaries.he takes much more delight in troublemaking and hurting his rival, and occasionally hurts bella,too. jacob is warm and furious and tied to the forest the way heathcliff is tied to the moors.

it is jacob who is the earthbound heathcliff she can remain a grubby child with. meyer rightly recognizes edward as the other half of bella's soul, but extracts all the physical, earthly passion from that role and gives it to jacob.edward protects her like a fine crystal object while his sister dresses her like a doll. what does this sound like?? linton linton linton!

bella as catherine is obviously the weakest here. she is nothing like catherine. she moans about not being good enough for edward. catherine was never "good" enough for linton, but did that stop her? she barreled in and took what she wanted and refused to leave. bella fusses over everyone and just wants everyone to be happy and self-sacrifices all over the place. i understand that bella's character has already been established in other books, but how can she compare herself to catherine with a straight face?? catherine is a goddamn honey badger. bella is a mother hen.

her relationship with edward certainly has elements that are unappealing - who wants to be watched and protected that closely all the time?, but at least i believed in their feelings because they are always reminding me and shoving my face in it.

jacob forces himself on her, laughs at her human weakness when she fights back, and tries to separate her from her happiness at every turn. it is both arrogant and insecure, but this is still somehow, but the one who is most "like family" who bella's dad wants her to be with. (do NOT get me started on "parental roles in the twilight saga.")(but quickly: our girl walks through the door from her vacation and already is making dinner for her father who supports some shirtless douchebag's forced kisses, but hates the rich boy who really wants to marry his daughter and preserve her virginity.) but this is another reversal to w.h., too since heathcliff was at least raised as family, even if you don't interpret heathcliff as mr. earnshaw's bastad son. which is not a belief i personally subscribe to, but it is out there.

edward is patient and forgiving and gentle and willing to give bella the space she needs before making her decision before she is even aware there is a decision to make.come on - that can't be right!

heathcliff doesn't share. he can tolerate linton because he is weak and catherine would not have him harmed, but this vampire zen shit has no place in a heathcliff character, and isn't even a linton quality. that element is pure meyer.

in wuthering heights, everyone behaves poorly.in this one, it is really just jacob as linton, i mean heathcliff, i mean jacob.

nonsense.

apart from any messing-with-the-heights stumbles, this also maintains all the lazy writing and comical details meyer interprets as passion: all the tooth grinding and clenching and chuckling and things said under the breath.oh, and snorting. why does everyone snort? and borrowing lines from wuthering heights to help bolster your characters is like posing next to the chubby girl in photographs to look slimmer. we see your borrowed finery.

and the love triangle thing is pretty forced. bella herself doesn't even realize until the end that she is even in a love triangle, so how are we supposed to? honestly, i am aware that there is such a thing as "team jacob" because i am a citizen of the world, but god - what's the appeal in some pushy dude who won't take "no" for an answer??

and why do i excuse heathcliff all his sins? is it because the writing is better? is it because i believe in his love in a way i do not believe in bella? because when i think of heathcliff i feel a physical reaction in my heart. when i think of jacob, i roll my eyes.

i actually liked twilight, despite its flaws. new moon was boring and repetitive. this one was irritating because of how much i looove w.h.

there is no evil in this book - no revenge. the stakes are too low in the triangle.i picture the three of them at a bar:

oh, i made sure jacob would overhear my conversation with bella about our upcoming nuptials. snort chuckle. eeeevil! oh, i knew edward could read my mind so i thought about how sad bella was when he went away. clenched teeth, snort,eeeevil! oh, i married her husband's sister, alternately beating and ignoring her, raised my enemy's son to be an illiterate brute, and ruined everyone's lives while i mourned my one true love. (crickets... the sound of edward and jacob pissing themselves)

here is some exciting eclipse information for this year:

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse....

and get on that venus one, because you're not gonna get another chance unless you are team edward.

and because this still makes me laugh:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f03d...

i think i have probably made a point or two in that rant somewhere. i wasn't enraged, overall, not really, but it was a pretty bloated book and i really don't get all the love for this series...

oh, and a gross dedication:

to my husband pancho for your patience, love, friendship, humor, and willingness to eat out.

TMI, stephenie meyer, TMI ...

come to my blog!
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Reading Progress

April 30, 2012 – Started Reading
May 1, 2012 – Finished Reading
May 2, 2012 – Shelved

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message 1: by Jason (new)

Jason Koivu Her husband's name is Pancho? That is gross.


message 2: by Eh?Eh! (new)

Eh?Eh! jacob steps in to be there for her and heals her and manages to stick a little bit of him in the space edward's leaving left.

Hahhaah!


Manny Fine analysis! I hadn't realized quite how messed up the parallels were.


B0nnie I pull my feathered hair whenever I see floating cloth :-)
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
http://www.bartleby.com/200/sw11.html


Missy LaRae That video was hilarious.

Thank you for this review. It's spot on.


Dominika Loved the review and the video :D Made my day ;) I shall spread it ;)


message 7: by Steve (new)

Steve Good stuff, as always.

I liked your line about not getting mad at the puppy. You seemed a little upset at yourself, though, for taking no steps to prevent it. Hey, but at least you got a great review to go with your dirty rug. (Those of us in the never-tempted-by-Twilight demographic can afford to be magnanimous.)


karen but do i read the fourth one or not??? what do i dooooo??


message 9: by [deleted user] (new)

You have to read the fourth one. I know it's something like eight thousand pages long, and seven thousand nine hundred and fifty of them are so boring you want to die, but that fifty that isn't...that's some crazy shit.


karen but i already know what happens. no one spoiled this one for me. y'know why? cuz nothing really happens.


message 11: by [deleted user] (new)

Well, that's true. Nothing much happens in Breaking Dawn either, so you're safe there. Maybe read it for the weird point of view shifts? Or not. Now that I think about it, you can probably skip it. I have some obsessions that made it fun for me, but Eclipse is really better for Karen obsessions, so you're probably done.


karen maybe next time i am in rhode island.... they were just...there. poor dickens. poor karen.


message 13: by n (new) - rated it 3 stars

n Read it! I'm interested to see your take on it.

Sidenote: I did not like Wuthering Heights, but whenever you talk about it, I always want to reread it because you make it sound so much better than I remember it. Maybe I'll actually read it again soon.


karen hahaha i do talk about it a lot....


Justin Fraxi On one hand, I second wanting to see your take on Breaking Dawn. On the other hand, I feel bad encouraging someone to put themselves through that...


Courtney Doooooooooo it. We all at least need to read your review as our reward for reading them all.


karen hmmmm - flattery will get you halfway....i will read it, but i have other books both good and bad to get to first...


karen neither can i!!! but you were right the whole time!!!

but i had to read this, despite your warnings. and it was a good vacation read for my soft soft brain.


message 19: by [deleted user] (new)

"and willingness to eat out" - TMI, stephenie meyer, TMI ...

Did I get that right???? ha ha


karen it is just an off-putting way to open your young adult fiction book


message 21: by Arthur (new)

Arthur Graham karen wrote: "it is just an off-putting way to open your young adult fiction book"

I think I'd rather imagine a scene from one of your monster porns...


message 22: by [deleted user] (new)

Arthur wrote: "karen wrote: "it is just an off-putting way to open your young adult fiction book"

I think I'd rather imagine a scene from one of your monster porns..."


Hey, Monster Porn Rocks!!! Arthur - have you looked at my bookshelf - http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/...

Karen is an is inspiration to us all in one form or another :)


message 23: by Arthur (last edited May 03, 2012 08:31AM) (new)

Arthur Graham Don't worry - There's probably a lot of people who would rather fuck Sasquatch than Stephenie Meyer ;-)


karen i love sunny's shelf.....


message 25: by [deleted user] (new)

karen wrote: "i love sunny's shelf....."

And my shelf loves you :D


message 26: by Adam (new)

Adam Floridia The total eclipse video had me cracking up. Then I got to the last two lines of the review and erupted. Not a good day to go on goodreads at work: thanks, Karen.


message 27: by Keith (new) - rated it 1 star

Keith Chawgo I can't believe you even made through to the end of any of these books. I have new found respect. I hate the main character and all she does is moan. I was hoping someone would put a bullet into her head. Anyway, I hope you were able to rinse out the mind after reading that.


karen the good thing is, these books don't really linger. this one was particularly moan-y.


message 29: by Missy (new) - rated it 1 star

Missy LaRae There is absolutely nothing wrong with moaning. It's just the kind of moaning. There's good moaning, like when you have sexy time, and then there's Bella moaning. It's the kind of moaning that makes you want to stick a hot poker in her eye.


karen hahaahha good point!


message 31: by Arthur (last edited May 04, 2012 08:05AM) (new)

Arthur Graham Even "poor me" moaning can be done well - with wit, humor, and style. Let's just say that Myer is no Morrissey. By the same token, "sexy time" moaning can get a little grating too, depending on the moaner...


message 32: by Keith (new) - rated it 1 star

Keith Chawgo ....depending on who is on the other side of the wall. If parents are in the next room - sexy time moaning can be the most embarrassing.


message 33: by Arthur (new)

Arthur Graham Keith wrote: "....depending on who is on the other side of the wall. If parents are in the next room - sexy time moaning can be the most embarrassing."

Maybe so, but which would you rather put up with? Listening to your parents screw for one night, or Bella whine for 640 pages?


message 34: by Keith (new) - rated it 1 star

Keith Chawgo I think I would rather listen to my parents overflowing passion for 640 nights straight than Bella's persistent whine. Point well taken.


karen hahahaahahh

other people whine in these books, too! there is a variety of whining!


message 36: by Joe (new)

Joe Final line may very well be my favorite karenism.

This is an extremely tough decision given the number of truly amazing karenisms out there.


karen awwwww, thanks buddy!


message 38: by [deleted user] (new)

Honey badger! I love that! xD


message 39: by Elizabeth (new)

Elizabeth Aww, Karen, I'm sorry. The review still exists though, if you would like to update your link to booklikes:

http://e.booklikes.com/post/167306/ec...-


 ~Geektastic~ A bit off topic, but if you are into Wuthering Heights retellings that are pretty good, I'd be curious to see what you think of Alice Hoffman's Here on Earth. It's been a while since I've read it, but I remember feeling like it did it some justice.


karen oh, right - that's why i have that book....


karen Elizabeth wrote: "Aww, Karen, I'm sorry. The review still exists though, if you would like to update your link to booklikes:

http://e.booklikes.com/post/167306/ec...-"



snif, okay. i have to get ready for runway party now, but maybe when i get back...


Alyssa This is my favorite book out of the whole series. I love it when Edward proposes to Bella.


message 44: by Reyhan (new)

Reyhan And Catherine was the dominant one in her relationships with both men .


message 45: by Melissa Jarrard (new)

Melissa Jarrard okay


message 46: by Rachel (new)

Rachel Well, that means yours is the only review that matters now!


karen hahahaha good interpretation of events - i thank you!


message 48: by Mary melton (new) - added it

Mary melton Your book is going to be amazing


Atlanta Well that’s a plug for wuthering heights if I ever read one :)


karen yup, i try my best...


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