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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Mojo Hand (talk) 13:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hoiio

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No references here. WP:BEFORE shows limited coverage of the company. WP:GNG not met. – robertsky (talk) 10:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. – robertsky (talk) 10:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Software, Hong Kong, Malaysia, and Vietnam. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - there is Straits Times but I don't think that it's enough for WP:NCORP Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree that the Straits times article is significant coverage, but it's only one article and I found very little else let alone lengthy coverage.
Article was significantly cut back in 2020 on the grounds of promotional content, but that also took out a lot of content and links. Anyone interested in arguing for keep might want to explore the diff. Of the removed links I found these two interesting but ultimately not sufficiently independent:

Oblivy (talk) 14:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrej Nguyen

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability in any way. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Czech Republic. FromCzech (talk) 05:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – He's actually quite well-known in Vietnam, due to his call up to the Vietnam national under-23 football team. There are a lot of articles about him in Vietnamese, which I believe do pass the WP:GNG. But as you mentioned, he did not have a single game in a professional football competition, and also no appearance for Vietnam youth national teams. I see this article as WP:TOOSOON . I think a draft is the best solution. Lâm (talk) 06:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like a single call-up to the U23 preliminary squad will make you famous in Vietnam? LOL. A draft is a reasonable option. FromCzech (talk) 06:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, his case is particular. He was one the first Vietnamese diaspora player playing abroad to get a call up to the national youth team. That explains why he got a lot of attention of the media Lâm (talk) 10:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thplam2004: Could you link here to some of the biggest articles about him? That can help editors decide his notability. --SuperJew (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article from Tiền Phong covered completely his family background, his career and his journey to get called up Vietnam U23 team. There are so many articles covering the player such as 2 , 3 , 4 and many more. In fact he was called up to the Vietnam national team in September 2023 but he withdrew the call up (source) Lâm (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Vietnam-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 20:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:GNG without enough of a career to assume the existence of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the sources Thplam2004 just mentioned?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 09:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep as the references cover the player significantly and surely passes WP:GNG. However, what make me consider is that the player doesn't have much of a career, but the fact that he got call up to the Vietnam national football team makes it valid to keep this article. What do you guys think? Lâm (talk) 09:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just repeating myself, but passing GNG criteria is not confirmation of notability, and we are talking about youth team, not a senior team, and about a preliminary squad as he withdrew the call up, not a final nomination. And this is a one year old event; since then, he has not appeared anywhere. Given that no one was in favor of keep in the discussion before the relisting, a consensus is being sought whether to draft or delete. FromCzech (talk) 09:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I wouldn't call this WP:TOOSOON as no WP:SIGCOV existed. In a general view, the article doesn't meet WP:SPORTSBIO and seeing that no coverage has ever existed, turning into a draft wouldn't help either. Pls delete entirely and went a little notability is sensed, an editor may commence from scratch or request the previous deleted information. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duong Thanh Tung

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think for this player does pass WP:GNG with all the articles in Vietnam's big football journals about him. He recently signed a pro contract with a club in Vietnam's highest division, and is registred in the squad for the league. His pro debut will only be a matter of time. Lâm (talk) 10:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote, the sources used do not document his notability. Wiki is not a player database and a few possible starts for a professional club won't change anything about that. This player has not accomplished anything yet, and we are not predicting from a crystal ball whether he will ever accomplish anything. The page can be created in a few years, when he has dozens of starts, and it will be written about something other than his first pro contract. FromCzech (talk) 11:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, Vietnam, and Czech Republic. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete—Appears to fail WP:GNG, although there is certainly a career that may be documented and/or documentable. Anwegmann (talk) 18:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The article has some sources in Vietnamese, have they been checked? Svartner (talk) 23:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article from Bóng Đá Plus provides a significant coverage about the player, detailing his family background, career, and playing style. Additionally, there's also the article from Dân Việt that also gives a resume of his career and his playing style.It's worth noting that the player recently signed with the runners-up of the previous season in Vietnam's top football division. This significant move, in my opinion, justifies why a player from low-tier Czech teams deserves a Wikipedia article. Lâm (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SPORTSPERSON: Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability. WP:SUSTAINED: There have been reports of him entering professional football, but that's not enough as he may not make it. I would recommend to draftify the page and consider renewing the article in a year, in two, depending on career development and other media reports. FromCzech (talk) 13:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - As proposed by @FromCzech sounds the better solution. Svartner (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - Looks like he could hit GNG eventually but not quite there. Chris1834 Talk 19:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As suggested above as well, I would be okay with draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletions

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