Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:The Emperor Morgan
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per U5. Legoktm (talk) 04:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
The only creation of a non-contributor, this is an obvious breach of WP:NOTWEBHOST, masked as a user page. Sundostund (talk) 10:57, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I can see we're still crusading against userpages where the Confederacy is somewhere linked, and the user is not around to defend themselves. I agree that this particular userpage meets NOTWEBHOST precisely as a promotional personal webpage from someone who's made zero contributions elsewhere. I don't like deleting wikipedians' userpages, but this user hasn't become a wikipedian. They've just posed as one. BusterD (talk) 15:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- There isn't a "crusade" against any kind of userpages, nor there ever was one, at least on my part. There is an attempt tho, to "cleanse" Wikipedia of various contents that are perfectly useless/harmful for the goals of building an encyclopedia, and yes – inflammatory and divisive stuff (including various neo-Confederate garbage) certainly belong to that category, as well as dead accounts sitting around, unused for years. Not around to defend themselves? I am sorry, but not my problem – its not my fault that they "earned" indef blocks, or just forgot that they ever opened an account here, or even thought that Wikipedia is a perfect "storage area" to forever keep their nonsense and self-promotion. I stand behind every MfD nomination I made so far (which I didn't do at all until some months ago, when I noticed the amount of useless garbage just sitting around). I do plan to continue submitting nominations when I see necessary; If I am wrong in my judgement(s), the "cure" is very simple – consensus of editors can always refuse to delete my nomination(s). When it comes to this particular case, I am glad to see that we are both on the completely same page. —Sundostund (talk) 04:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- I don't doubt User:Sundostund's good faith; perhaps it's merely a coincidence that I'm seeing userpages nominated when there's some Confederate link. FTR, Sundostund and I are not "on the completely same page" here. I think deleting userspaces is a bad thing. Historians will come along later and closely examine userspace to help understand how Wikipedia was created in its earliest days. When we choose to remove things from page history, IMHO we are hamstringing accurate coverage of Wikipedia by future generations of historians. I do appreciate Sundostund's engaging with my (perhaps overly) provocative comments. This isn't a "blame" issue. This is also not a question which should be answered one user subpage at a time. BusterD (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Just to clarify: When I said that we are "on the completely same page" here, I was talking about this MfD nomination, and what you said about it in your vote to delete this userpage. We both agree that it has to go, and that's it. We disagree on, pretty much, everything else. I fail to see what future generations of historians could possibly learn from the useless, dead, long-forgotten userpages that I nominated for deletion so far. Even if I am wrong, I am completely fine to see that "future learning" somewhat undermined, if that means less garbage sitting around here, and preventing Wikipedia from becoming a "storage area" for it. And no, there is no coincidence here – various Confederate-related links (especially flags) usually lead me to userpages like this. Which isn't surprising to me at all – I see it perfectly logical that neo-Confederates create such accounts, and then get indef block, or forget about the account, or just leave its contents here, believing that Wikipedia is a perfect "safe haven" for their garbage. I truly believe that we should prove them wrong. Of course, there's a whole lot of perfectly useless accounts without any neo-Confederate connection around here, but that doesn't mean that I am fine with them being kept forever on Wikipedia; they should be deleted too, and when I see such MfD nominations, I know what my vote will be. —Sundostund (talk) 06:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I don't doubt User:Sundostund's good faith; perhaps it's merely a coincidence that I'm seeing userpages nominated when there's some Confederate link. FTR, Sundostund and I are not "on the completely same page" here. I think deleting userspaces is a bad thing. Historians will come along later and closely examine userspace to help understand how Wikipedia was created in its earliest days. When we choose to remove things from page history, IMHO we are hamstringing accurate coverage of Wikipedia by future generations of historians. I do appreciate Sundostund's engaging with my (perhaps overly) provocative comments. This isn't a "blame" issue. This is also not a question which should be answered one user subpage at a time. BusterD (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- There isn't a "crusade" against any kind of userpages, nor there ever was one, at least on my part. There is an attempt tho, to "cleanse" Wikipedia of various contents that are perfectly useless/harmful for the goals of building an encyclopedia, and yes – inflammatory and divisive stuff (including various neo-Confederate garbage) certainly belong to that category, as well as dead accounts sitting around, unused for years. Not around to defend themselves? I am sorry, but not my problem – its not my fault that they "earned" indef blocks, or just forgot that they ever opened an account here, or even thought that Wikipedia is a perfect "storage area" to forever keep their nonsense and self-promotion. I stand behind every MfD nomination I made so far (which I didn't do at all until some months ago, when I noticed the amount of useless garbage just sitting around). I do plan to continue submitting nominations when I see necessary; If I am wrong in my judgement(s), the "cure" is very simple – consensus of editors can always refuse to delete my nomination(s). When it comes to this particular case, I am glad to see that we are both on the completely same page. —Sundostund (talk) 04:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Looks like a copy-paste of an existing article with minor modifications. RPI2026F1 (talk) 16:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:NOTWEBHOST applies. Could've been U5'd probably. Curbon7 (talk) 18:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete in concurrence with Curbon7. If I came across that, I would've tagged it for WP:CSD#U5. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 16:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete not web host violation Dronebogus (talk) 19:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as a candidate for U5. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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