Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ZephyrMusic

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Non-notable music artist that does not seem to meet any of the criteria listed at WP:MUSICBIO.

• Most of the articles listed are from non-reliable sources ("wikifamouspeople", "musicalive.net", "chunedesk") or are short articles that are essentially press releases about new music. The Voix Du Nord seems to be having technical difficulties; I can't even access them nine out of ten times without an error.
• No album on the national music chart, no record certified gold
• No non-trivial coverage of a concert tour
• No album release from a major record label
• etc, the list goes on.

Furthermore, his own website is hosted on and has a subdomain with Wix - while not strictly in the WP:MUSICBIO guidelines, a notable musician would not be using a free site such as that.

The subject has been deleted as non-notable three times in his own Home country: fr:ZephyrMusic ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 22:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, Music, and France. Skynxnex (talk) 00:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep : The person who proposed the Afd forgot to introduce the first point of WP:MUSICBIO

"1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." This musician answers with the sources ^[1][2][3][4]. I specify that 2 of these newspapers, La Voix du Nord and L'Avenir have their Wikipedia page here. It meets the first criterion by appearing in several reliable sources and is therefore eligible, the sources cited by the previous comment are just used to introduce additional information generally already supported by secondary sources.

Concerning Wix, the author is not objective because he cannot say with certainty that absolutely no notable musician uses Wix, should we question the notability of musicians who do not even use a website? I don't think so, this remark shows how weak the arguments for deletions are.

It would be useful to specify that this musician was deleted from French Wikipedia because according to the deletion history the sources were only music sites, the third time the page was deleted because it was whitewashed by its author, sources have appeared since and as the author of the comment said the deletion standards are not the same on this Wikipedia, this argument does not show once again that an article on this musician has no place here. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My first bullet point is about the first point of WP:MUSICBIO. The majority of sources listed are blog-like sites, including the fourth one you yourself listed, and the third source is just a video. Really only those first two would be considered reliable sources, but both of the articles aren't about him in his notability as a musician but as local general interest pieces about him overcoming his disability. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 15:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the 3rd source I see a video and a text written by L'Avenir and therefore a reliable source. These three sources respond well to what 1. of WP:MUSICBIO requires, this person is therefore remarkable because he meets one of the criteria well. . SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's a person with a disability that music helps, he's not a professional musician. He's not been signed by a record label, has not won any prizes/awards. These are reliable sources yes, but simply appearing in the newspaper isn't enough. Why is he famous for making music? Oaktree b (talk) 00:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See response to your other comment SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: The two French articles are fine, but this individual doesn't meet notability for musicians. "He has a disability and music helps him" is the extent of the articles. He's not charted, has won no awards, no critical notice. He's a musician, yes, but doesn't meet our notability standards. People make music, but aren't all notable. Oaktree b (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If we had to summarize it would rather be "how this musician got there in his musical projects despite his dyspraxia.", I did not see where it was said that music helped him with his illness, that is absolutely not the subject. The points that you mention like labels, charted, awards... are not obligatory to be notable, I have seen quite a few musicians without labels and not appearing in charts and yet have an article here, what you mentioned are other points that can show that a musician is remarkable but as WP:MUSICBIO says "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." By reading and basing myself on these guidelines it respects the first condition and is therefore remarkable, it is not specified at all what the reliable articles should be about, here it is about his illness, and his career and work as a musician, even the title of the article contains the word "musician", he is qualified as such in the title. Contrary to what you say, reliable sources do not only talk about his illness but also about his works, his way of playing, his genres and his future works and projects as a musician. It also respects WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 16:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: This is PROMO. The one article says he's wanting to release an online album in 2025. He's not released anything at this point, still being a student at the music academy, when the article was written. Oaktree b (talk) 00:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This is not promotion, it is normal to talk about the works of a music artist, this is the case in all articles about music artists and it is in no way seen as promotion especially when it is supported by reliable sources... He has already produced works and in the article from La Voix du Nord it was said that he had already started preparing his album, if you had consulted the references you would know that he was no longer at the music academy when the article was written. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]