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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗plicit 12:37, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Iris Aggeler

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Don't see any evidence of work. es-wiki article tagged with promotion. Refs seem to be mixed spam. Can't find evidence of work. scope_creepTalk 11:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. --Vaco98 (talk) 12:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Women, and Mexico. Shellwood (talk) 13:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There's something very strange going on with the sources. Some of them don't mention Iris Aggeler at all, some mention another Aggeler, and a source like Nava Polina, Joel (1 March 2013). "Una Vida de Interdisciplina, gesta la Multidisciplinariedad en el Arte". No. 92. Tabi Tabi Japón. La guía de Asia y Oriente en México. which I found at https://issuu.com/tabitabitoyo/docs/tabitabi92marzo13 is about another artist called Iris. Other sources, like Casares, N; Lizana, X (July 2006). "Arte off / Off Art". No. 16. international contemporary art. Spain. that links to https://art.es/ can't possibly have worked. The wayback machine shows that as far back as 2006, that site has been about an architectural firm. I have the impression that the subject may use a number of different aliases: Ra'al Ki Victorieux , Iris Atma, Iris Mexico, among others. Vexations (talk) 14:05, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Vexations, I noticed that is well. Its weird. I noticed that some of the refs has "Iris Mexico" which may be a alias or artist name or something like that, but couldn't find Iris Aggeler herself. The refs of newspapers which are not properly formatted can be checked and didn't see the name there either. scope_creepTalk 14:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, yes, the artist was born Iris Merino Aggeler, and has used as principal pen names: Iris Aggeler, Iris México, Iris Atma, and also Ra'al Ki Victorieux. She has more "stage names" because her performance art has been around identity exploration. Lingua88 (talk) 08:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed the spam links to some architetural firm, which is really odd. scope_creepTalk 14:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a reference to an architectural firm. It is about an art magazine edited in Spain. YOu can see more about the magazine in this link https://fondodocumentalainsa.com/documento/art-es-no-53-54/ Lingua88 (talk) 08:31, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The URL https://art.es/ was wrong. http://www.art-es.es/ was the URL for the magazine, but has since 2018 been used by a translation service. An archived copy of the website is at the way back machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20061205054525/http://www.art-es.es/ Vexations (talk) 14:30, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I don't know how to put doble links for the magazine on the references. Could you help me with that? Lingua88 (talk) 00:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Lingua88: Has the lady been in any international exhibitions, for example? scope_creepTalk 13:34, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As suggested, I made a section with the subject: international exhibitions. I hope so you can find more value in this article. Thanks. Lingua88 (talk) 23:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know why you tell me this, and you even have the audacity to delete it, you can well search the data of more images with other names of various characters. JavierHuertaLopez (talk) 02:25, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was not at all obvious at the time the article was nominated, and it still is not at all reliably sourced that all these names are in fact the same artist. The sourcing is completely inadequate. I still see no evidence of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. I suggest that editors who have a conflict of interest declare it, especially if they are paid to do so. Note that it is very easy to identify single-purpose accounts who are only here advocate on behalf of a subject. Vexations (talk) 11:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings. It turns out that I'm starting to collaborate on Wikipedia. So, in my archive as a cultural promoter in Puebla, the last visual arts exhibition I organized before the pandemic, in July 2018, was that of Iris Aggeler (Ki Victorieux). From there are the 4 images that I donated to commons and the first ones with which I contribute to this platform. I didn't expect so much conflict for it. Tell me, what should I do? Erase those 4 photos? JavierHuertaLopez (talk) 17:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - There is something deeply odd about this article. The ambiguity needs to be sorted out. If it is found that she meets WP:GNG which I do not think she does, then WP:TNT is suggested. I get it that artists sometimes work with alter egos, however something is not adding up. JavierHuertaLopez and Lingua88 do you have a personal connection to the artist to declare? Netherzone (talk) 21:27, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I am interested in contributing with articles about art, mainly women artists. I'm still learning how to do references in the right way, and some other things. My problem is: When I write about men, cool, that is done. But when I write about women artists, I get notifications of promotion or deletion.
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_discusi%C3%B3n:Lingua88 (2 promotion)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lingua88 (1 deletion)
    I would spend more time improving my articles, but I have to study and do other things. I'm just here because of the pandemic, which has given me more time at home. Lingua88 (talk) 15:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I maintain my position that there is no reason, what is merely solid in the reasons why you want the article to be deleted, when and that it is about a person merely known in Mexico, as a public figure, has appeared in various national media, has a long history which is recognized by the Mexican government who has published her work, international exhibitions, recognition from several countries such as Germany, in short, I could well tell you about the importance of this multifaceted artist and perhaps there is not enough information in your language and perhaps this is an impediment, or is the “language barrier” an impediment? Isn't that enough for you to stay? JavierHuertaLopez (talk) 01:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your timely notes @JavierHuertaLopez, @Lingua88, I am wondering if you would be so kind as to answer the question I posed above. I guess I'm also wondering, too, if there is a connection between the two of you as well. Netherzone (talk) 02:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Lingua88: Is her work in any kind of well known museums of modern art, or visual arts. That would help. scope_creepTalk 16:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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