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RfC:Change Trump photo to one that was from 2015-2016, not after the election
[edit]I propose changing the Trump photo to this (File:Donald Trump 2016 cropped.jpg) from Wikicommons. The photo used at the moment is from 2017, which is after the election took place. Clinton's photo is from 2016. This would make it consistent. CNC33 (. . .talk) 23:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agree - I second this proposal. (Although I do think this version (attached) looks better.) A recent edit changed JB's photo in the 2020 election to a photo from before the election, which I personally believe is better for chronological(?) purposes. I do think a broader discussion is needed for all U.S. presidential elections. Longestview (talk) 00:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agree: The photo should be from before the election, not after. It doesn't make sense to have the image be from after the election EarthDude (talk) 21:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agree - the current photo is from nearly a year after the election. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agree - Consistency is key, Also, it Fits well with His 2016 Republican Primaries Image. InterDoesWiki (talk) 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree: I also think consistency is key. And it is common place throughout all the other presidential election articles to use the presidential portrait if the candidate goes on to win the presidency. Prcc27 (talk) 04:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- after checking, I can confirm that is not the case, there are multiple U.S Presidential Election Articles that do not use the presidential portrait. (If you want me to, I can get a list.) InterDoesWiki (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry. I meant all the recent presidential elections (all the ones in my lifetime). Changing Trump’s photo would put this article out of step with the other articles of this century. Many users on the 2024 presidential election article have expressed a desire to use presidential portraits as the photo, so long as the portrait isn’t too outdated (i.e. 7 year difference). Prcc27 (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, not really. Neither the 2000 nor the 2008 election articles use the official Presidential portraits for george w. Bush or barack obama, but the 2004 and 2012 do, cuz by that time, they were presidents EarthDude (talk) 18:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just false? Both those elections use official White House photographs taken after their elections. Nojus R (talk) 04:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I checked it again rn and it seems i was warong. I seem to have misinterpreted them. My bad EarthDude (talk) 12:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just false? Both those elections use official White House photographs taken after their elections. Nojus R (talk) 04:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, not really. Neither the 2000 nor the 2008 election articles use the official Presidential portraits for george w. Bush or barack obama, but the 2004 and 2012 do, cuz by that time, they were presidents EarthDude (talk) 18:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry. I meant all the recent presidential elections (all the ones in my lifetime). Changing Trump’s photo would put this article out of step with the other articles of this century. Many users on the 2024 presidential election article have expressed a desire to use presidential portraits as the photo, so long as the portrait isn’t too outdated (i.e. 7 year difference). Prcc27 (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Even if that were true, being wrong is not something we should be looking to be consistent about. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- after checking, I can confirm that is not the case, there are multiple U.S Presidential Election Articles that do not use the presidential portrait. (If you want me to, I can get a list.) InterDoesWiki (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree: I also think consistency is key. And it is common place throughout all the other presidential election articles to use the presidential portrait if the candidate goes on to win the presidency. Prcc27 (talk) 04:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agree - Consistency is key, Also, it Fits well with His 2016 Republican Primaries Image. InterDoesWiki (talk) 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agree - I think every election infobox should use a good photograph of the candidate that was taken before- or at least very close to the time of the election, and its anachronistic to use a photograph from 2017 to represent an election in 2016. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- it appears consensus has been reached Purpetic (talk) 05:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ya, seems like it EarthDude (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- it appears consensus has been reached Purpetic (talk) 05:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree, as all other presidents we should use his official portrait if he wins the election and it is closer to the election date. This discussion is discussed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Donald_Trump/Archive_38#Trump_Photo_2_Rfc if we are going change it needs be done through a RFC. Shadow4dark (talk) 14:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree for the reasons above. The proposed pic is more representative of him during the election cycle, and matches the age of the Hillary one. — Amakuru (talk) 14:38, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why is it that his second official portrait is being used anyway? His first came out on inauguration day, following this election. https://petapixel.com/2017/01/21/president-trumps-official-portrait/ GhulamIslam (talk) 22:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I say that it doesn't matter at all. I see we keep the old one. The quality is bad on it (zoom in on it) and the background is unreal and it is weird to have. amicrophone in the picture. I say we chage Leikstjórinn (talk) 00:18, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also the Biden phtoto was taken after his election. I think this is stupid, it's not like he changed looks in the middle of the time of election day and photograph day Leikstjórinn (talk) 00:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree that image is of poorer quality (face pose, microphone, too zoomed-in) than the official photograph, and it's silly to pretend that a photo taken just one year later somehow doesn't get the job done. And if we're desperate to replace the image, why that one? There were exhaustive discussions prior to the election about which image to choose, and I don't believe that was the one that was landed on. Can we just leave these images alone? Nojus R (talk) 04:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree It seems like all previous election pages were like this, so it only makes sense that we use the image. Eehuiio (talk) 18:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree I Think it is far more professional to use the much higher quality portrait for whoever wins the election. This goes for every single president's page. And like Leikstjorinn said, They look basically exactly the same in 2017 vs 2016, so I don't think any real change is necessary. Almost every presidential election page has official portraits for first term winners, and I feel like changing almost every president's picture over a 1 year difference is not really necessary. I also think that using the official portrait helps to visually differentiate the winner vs the loser, and I feel like switching that out with random campaign photos makes the pages feel more dull. Nousername46000 (talk) 01:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree: There is evidence that other previous US presidential election pages used photos before the official photos were available, so it makes sense to use a photo image taken before the 2016 US presidential election. In particular, the quality of the photo above is high, so using a photo is also persuasive. Since this content is in the form of an RfC, the title has been supplemented to RfC. I would like to ask for the opinions of users who are interested in this presidential election topic :::Hello. I'm sending a courtesy ping to those who participated in previous discussions or expressed interest in this WP topic. @Super Goku V: @GhulamIslam: @Vrrajkum: @Maximus: @Geffery2210: @Jfhutson: @InterDoesWiki: @LawNerd123: @Herostratus: @Nojus R: @Yeoutie: @Calibrador: @TDKR Chicago 101: @GreatCaesarsGhost: @Sthubertliege: @Memevietnam98: @WorldMappings: @Qutlook: @GoodDay: @Dhantegge: Goodtiming8871 (talk) 11:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Replace with his first official portrait, which coincided with his January 2017 inauguration. This is consistent with using Obama's January 2009 portrait for the 2008 election and his December 2012 portrait for that election. GhulamIslam (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comments: I think it would be more appropriate to use the photo suggested above rather than the first official portrait. In Obama's case, I think it's because his first official photo looks better and fits him better than the previous photos. However, Donald Trump's first official photo has an awkward facial expression and doesn't look very friendly as an official photo. However, the photo suggested above is a suitable photo because it looks friendly enough to use and looks good. It would be better if he had a smiling expression, but e Goodtiming8871 (talk) 01:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree with using a Gage Skidmore candid, and not a particularly good one—blurry background and mic obscuring Trump's tie—when we have an official portrait released just 2 months after this election. See Prcc27's comments above about the consistency of using presidential portraits in election articles.
- As for his 'friendliness', it's an official portrait approved by the Trump team, so that's obviously the look he wanted to convey. He actually has a slight smile—you can see the corners of his mouth are raised—he looks a lot friendlier than in his mug shot. GhulamIslam (talk) 17:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose changing photo. 2020 United States presidential election, 2008 United States presidential election and 2000 United States presidential election use photos of Biden, Obama and Bush taken after they were elected, so I see no reason why this should be different. As a side note, why is discussion still open? It began in April and it's now September! ~~ Jessintime (talk) 13:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- The reason this discussion is stil open is it looked to end in Early August in a concensus to change the picture. But it gained traction afterwards, and became a Full RFC in September. InterDoesWiki (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Because this isn't an RfC under the procedure laid out at WP:RFC. It looks like Step 3 of WP:RFCOPEN was missed, so no one was notified. --Super Goku V (talk) 09:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comments: Thank for your feedback for history of this talk and become the Full RFC that makes sense. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 02:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Standardized the State Names in the Results Table
[edit]I standardized the names on the results table for the states so they are consistent with other presidential elections pages and have no abbreviations. The previous names were somewhat arbitrarily abbreviated or not, sometimes with contemporary postal abbreviations and a period at the end, and sometimes with older postal abbreviations. Now all states are the same as previous elections.
Polscicontrib (talk) 20:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Darrell Castle references not linked
[edit]The references to Darrell Castle in Campaign finance and Electoral results have his name bolded but unlinked to his article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrell_Castle Strategos' Risk (talk) 17:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Incorrect number of electoral votes
[edit]The section `Electoral results` lists the electoral vote total for the Trump-Pence ticket at 305. This is a mistake, since that ticket only received 304 votes (there was an additional vote from a faithless elector for Paul-Pence, which is included in the table).
Another way to verify the inconsistency: the sum of the Electoral Votes listed in the `Electoral results` table is 539, whereas there should only 538 total. 74.67.225.73 (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed, good spot. Giraffer (talk) 15:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Add "they're not sending their best" to "Notable expressions, phrases, and statements"
[edit]This quote is one of note that I believe deserves to be added as it was not only repeated during the 2016 election but I see it around the internet to this day, usually co-opted by Democrats during moments of Republican slip-ups (for instance, the ineffectiveness of the January 6th riots). Bixerino (talk) 03:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
0050193 196.190.61.103 (talk) 06:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Removing third party voteshare
[edit]I see that recent changes were made that removed the individual voteshare tables for the libertarian and green parties and instead grouped all third party votes together. This is a bad change and I don't know why it was done. The 2016 third party voteshare was quite and and split among a lot of diffrent groups (Libertarian, Green, McMullen in Utah and Idaho, Bernie Sanders in Vermont), to group them all together is a disservice. If anyone would like to make a positive case for this change feel free to do so here. Otherwise I will start reverting back to the previous chart formatting. Gordfather69 (talk) 15:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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