Commons:Deletion requests/Template:LGBT symbol

This is wildly indiscriminate. It cites no specific laws and tags everything from a cartoon image of Earth to an image that is tangentially related to gay pride with no symbolism whatsoever. There’s no definition of what this refers to— does a photograph of a rainbow count? An emoji of two men kissing? There’s a difference between “this specific symbol is restricted by this specific law” and “some countries ban LGBT rights or something, right?” Dronebogus (talk) 14:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment How about {{Anti-LGBT symbol}}? Ox1997cow (talk) 14:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll merge that into this one Dronebogus (talk) 15:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep This should not be a case of "delete this or that template", but a case of "use templates appropriately". (The Category:Political symbols also includes wrongly-attributed non-political symbols: Misplaced content is not a reason to delete the category itself.) Also, your first example is actually a logo for a non-normative sexual orientation. When I read the description I think the disclaimer is not totally out of place there. On the other hand, the warning of the LGBT-symbol template potentially applies to WAY too much content on Commons. It was impossible for me to use Commons' tools to simply count the file images under Category:LGBT culture, I can only suppose there are hundreds of thousands. Maybe this template is better-placed at the category level, not in each single file? Anyway, please note Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Proposal_to_prohibit_political_restriction_templates, which is why I came here today in the first place. --Enyavar (talk) 16:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it’s kept it should definitely be at category-level only; and I’m aware that the globe icon represents an obscure sexual orientation but it’s still just a cartoon of a globe— do you think homophobic authorities who don’t even make a distinction between the letters of LGBT most of the time are going to know or care what it represents? Dronebogus (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep It's true that the template's current form may seem vague, but its intention is not to enforce strict guidelines, but rather to raise awareness and encourage discussion about the prevalence of LGBT symbols in media. By tagging a wide range of images, we hope to highlight the many ways in which the LGBT community and its allies express themselves and advocate for their rights. 70.68.168.129 05:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is absolutely not why this template exists. Did you even read the template? It’s a legal disclaimer, not an essay prompt! Dronebogus (talk) 08:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struck above vote as it was made by a user blocked for gross incompetence. Dronebogus (talk) 02:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Delete Political censorship laws, such as those being described by the template, are very well-known by the citizens of the countries which have them, and we are not doing any favors to re-users by having this disclaimer. funplussmart (talk) 22:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Delete. The disclaimer covers what needs to be covered. This puts WC editors in a sort of ridiculous position of interpreting various international, opaque laws and evaluating what symbols are "LGBT". Not helpful, causes headaches. It can go, just like Chinese sensitive content and Zionist symbol went.

Zanahary (talk) 05:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep It’s true that these templates definitely need to be regulated more. They shouldn’t be put on anything that simply has the slightest representation of the LGBT community (or in {{Anti-LGBT symbol}}’s case, LGBT discrimination), like say, a rainbow, and rather for symbols explicitly meant to represent LGBT or LGBT discrimination, like flags or whole LGBT logos, or obvious hate symbols; basically, any symbol which would certainly be restricted by that nation’s specific law on LGBT topics. They also should be rewritten to cite the laws that prohibit them, much like how {{Communist symbol}} and {{Nazi symbol}} do (in fact, I could edit the template to link to those laws in the same manner). However, deleting the entire templates themselves seems like a bandaid solution.

Also, this is more opinion based than anything, but the “we shouldn’t obey autocratic laws” argument could apply to any country that prohibits LGBT support or discrimination, or any symbol really, so that is of little help. 2600:1012:B0B4:F18:498F:CB6E:4FA:E2D6 05:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve gone ahead and cited laws from Russia and the UK. 2600:1012:B0B4:F18:498F:CB6E:4FA:E2D6 06:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Keep With the changes by the editor above to cite specific law, this merely becomes a matter of "people aren't using it right", and deletion is inappropriate in that case. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: I personally think Anti-LGBT can be covered by the text of LGBT symbol, but given how hostile some states including some democratic ones are to LGBT people, this should remain. --Abzeronow (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]