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Hey, so I've been collecting a few sources on Babe Dye, who sorta has the claim that he played as a halfback for the Argos (in several sources, and the wiki article). Saying that though, I found a source that sort of refutes the claim as being likely a myth.

Looking at all the other sources (I could find anyways) that do make the claim, they all just state he played halfback for the Argos as a one-off sentence, without expanding on it. I was actually going to edit the article to reflect the fact that its likely a factoid, but then I found a Sportsnet article that actually expanded on that claim (not by a lot, but it does add that he played with them for a season), which sorta made me second guess myself to thinking there might be more to this. Apologies in advance as this isn't exactly ice hockey related, but does anyone know of a way to confirm if this is a myth or not (I tried to find a Argos historic players rosters, but the ones I could find only go as far back as 1945)? Leventio (talk) 22:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It may be best to just simply note that there are discrepancies in the record, and that some sources say he played for the Argos, while others say he didn't. After all we can only go by what the sources say, and it certainly isn't a bad thing to say we simply don't know for sure. Kaiser matias (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I would agree with Kaiser on this. -DJSasso (talk) 22:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Hrm. Dye isn't mentioned on the Argonauts website, which you'd think he'd be. (Then again, I just tested, and Lionel freaking Conacher only got three hits.) You might want to try writing to the Argos' management and asking whether their records show Dye playing for them. Likewise, that's the sort of thing that SIHR may well know. I've had luck in the past writing to teams/SIHR for clarification, so ... Ravenswing 17:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone, I have started a new discussion at the ice hockey nicknames talk page. This is not the result of a dispute, but a result of apparent apathy. I wanted to publicize this to get as many Wikipedia hockey editors as possible to comment on it. Thanks JimKaatFan (talk) 23:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which team, captain, coach are we placing first? The Stanley Cup champion or the runner up? GoodDay (talk) 22:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at a number of them, we list them in the same order we list the teams in the score box, lower seed on top and higher seed on bottom. -DJSasso (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will take some time, but I plan on correcting some of them (see 1973 Stanley Cup Finals), with that arrangement. GoodDay (talk) 00:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The North York Rangers article has been tagged for split since 2016. I have suggested my solution at Talk:North York Rangers. I hope we can get some closure on this since it's been almost four years of no action. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 08:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So I've had this project that I'm getting back to doing that would be similar to NFL playoff results. I want to move it to the page Stanley Cup playoff results and bring on more contributors, but I want you're input. –Piranha249 21:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to be compilation of every season's playoff results, which seem completely useless to me. We already have individual season article which cover this information. I fail to see how such a list would even pass WP:LISTN for a standalone list. Flibirigit (talk) 00:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have to agree with Flibirigit here. -DJSasso (talk) 02:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to make a dent in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, and a few articles within the hockey sphere have issues that I can't fix on my own (~571 issue as of writing). Basically, some refs linked via {{sfn}} and {{harvnb}} and similar have missing full citations or have some other problems. You can check these instructions to have error messages enabled (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper cleanup).

In particular, the following articles could use some of your attention

The cause is often copy-pasting a short reference from another article without copy-pasting the full reference. If you can find where things were copy-pasted from, you can usually find what the full reference is.

Thanks for any help you can give! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't be too difficult to resolve. I quickly took a look at a few and it's really just lazy work on referencing. Should be able to get the list cleared up without delay. Kaiser matias (talk) 05:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone be opposed to changing the Recognized Content section on the main project page so that it is updated by a bot rather than manually? I have something set up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Recognized content, and would just move it to the project page, but don't want to without getting some opinions first. Kaiser matias (talk) 17:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In theory I like it. The only issue I have is that the sections don't collapse like they currently do. That page would be far too long to have open on the main page all the time I would think, though maybe there is a way around that. -DJSasso (talk) 02:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering what the community thought of additions like this, and this. The source is quant hockey which I don't know much about, and the edits seem entirely trivial to me, but since it is now throughout every Olympic article I thought some form of consensus was desirable. I don't see anything that makes the ages notable, but that is just me.18abruce (talk) 17:43, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've just dropped a message at User talk:Atsme about his hundreds of edits changing the capitalization (and thus creating double redirects) of NHL Amateur Draft links. Here's hoping he reverts his edits promptly. Ravenswing 05:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ravenswing: It appears that someone went through and moved all the Amateur Draft articles to remove the capitalization, which could be a contributing factor. The claim is that sources indicate that it should not be capitalized, which is hard to fathom.18abruce (talk) 12:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for noticing that rather important contributing factor, 18abruce - in fact, I thought it a bit bizarre to fix a miscapitalized redirect that wasn't actually miscapitalized but who am I to question a page move while wikignoming? Ravenswing, I regret that our first encounter was not on better terms but was glad that you brought it up for discussion - that's how things get worked out - but it would have been kinder of you to AGF. Oh, and I go by the pronoun she unless he-she pronouns are no longer applicable on WP like uppercase appears to be in some titles. I was pleasantly surprised to see that wbm1058 has volunteered to straighten things out and extend my sincerest thanks to him for taking on such a tedious task. I just learned a few hours ago that a friend of 40 years just lost his battle with cancer so I'm a bit taken back by it all, but was still prepared to revert my edits if needed. Happy editing! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 23:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dicklyon: on 5 May 2020, did a mass page move of the NHL Amateur Draft articles. GoodDay (talk) 13:18, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@18abruce:,@GoodDay: "Hard to fathom" is pretty generous; I'd go with "arrant bullshit," myself. How do we go about getting those moves reverted, for openers? Ravenswing 14:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves - see semi-subsection Requested to revert undiscussed moves GoodDay (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry guys, I have unfortunately assumed too much good faith from Dicklyon and given him too much rope. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters doesn't give much specific guidance for events, as it's been hard to reach a consensus on the matter. However, just now I see that it does say "Specific titles and events (or series thereof) are capitalized: WPA World Nine-ball Championship, Tour de France, Americas Cup." As 1971 NHL Amateur Draft is indeed a specific event it should be capitalized. I've been silently stewing over this matter for some time, and realize it is now time to put my foot down. Some changes relating to this were made by me as well; I will get to work reverting them all. No need to waste your time submitting technical requests. Again, sorry for all the disruption caused by my following Lyon's executive actions without confirming the Style guidance first. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I already put in a tech request a few minutes ago :) GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. That did make the task easier for me. wbm1058 (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not so hard to fathom if you actually look at sources, which mostly use lowercase. Time for an RM discussion then. Dicklyon (talk) 16:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where there is a split among the sources on whether it is capitalized? Does not explain your actions.18abruce (talk) 16:47, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And pardon me but I consulted three different encyclopedias from my bookshelf in addition to Hockey News articles from the 70's and 80's.18abruce (talk) 16:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When sources are split, WP uses lowercase, per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS: "lowercase unless the title phrase is a proper name that would always occur capitalized, even mid-sentence". Dicklyon (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"NHL Amateur Draft" - like the NHL Entry Draft can be both a proper name and used informally at the same time, so it isn't surprising there is a mixture of uses in sources, often depending on context. There was absolutely nothing wrong with titling it here as a proper name, so seriously, thank you for wasting a lot of people's time with such an unthinking and undiscussed mass move. Resolute 23:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ya should've went the RM route, first. GoodDay (talk) 17:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]