AI and algorithms influence culture. You should pay attention : Short Wave Humans hallucinate. Algorithms lie.

At least, that's one difference that Joy Buolamwini and Kyle Chayka want to make clear. When ChatGPT tells you that a book exists when it doesn't – or professes its undying love – that's often called a "hallucination." Buolamwini, a computer scientist, prefers to call it "spicy autocomplete." But not all algorithmic errors are as innocuous. So today's show, we get into: How do algorithms work? What are their impacts? And how can we speak up about changing them?

This is a shortened version of Joy and Kyle's live interview, moderated by Regina G. Barber, at this year's Library of Congress National Book Festival.

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Algorithms don't just pick playlists. They're changing your life

Algorithms don't just pick playlists. They're changing your life

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Algorithms are in everything from your social media use to how many companies curate your playlists. Researcher Joy Buolamwini and writer Kyle Chayka question the extent of their influence and helpfulness. Qi Yang/Getty Images hide caption

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Algorithms are in everything from your social media use to how many companies curate your playlists. Researcher Joy Buolamwini and writer Kyle Chayka question the extent of their influence and helpfulness.

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Joy Buolamwini and Kyle Chayka want you to know: Algorithms aren't that complicated.

"To me, an algorithm is just a sequence of steps to achieve an outcome," says Buolamwini, a computer scientist and author of the book Unmasking AI.

"In the literal sense, it's like an equation," adds Chayka, a writer for the New Yorker and author of Filterworld. "When we talk about the algorithm or algorithms in general, it's a kind of boogeyman ... [but] they do come back to these equations that are just taking in variables. You know, on Facebook, things like likes, or what you've clicked on before, or what other people similar to you have clicked on, they're crunching all that data and then determining our results."

Both of them recently joined Short Wave host Regina Barber for a panel at this year's Library of Congress National Book Festival. Today, we're bringing you a shortened version of that conversation to discuss: How do algorithms work? What are their impacts? And how could humans be a part of changing them for the better?

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This episode was produced and fact-checked by Hannah Chinn. It was edited by Rebecca Ramirez. Kwesi Lee was the audio engineer.