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The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt
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it was amazing
bookshelves: current-affairs, science
Read 2 times. Last read September 4, 2012 to September 17, 2012.

"This book is about why it’s so hard for us to get along. We are indeed all stuck here for a while, so let’s at least do what we can to understand why we are so easily divided into hostile groups, . . Politics and religion are both expressions of our underlying moral psychology, and an understanding of that psychology can help to bring people together. My goal in this book is to drain some of the heat, anger, and divisiveness out of these topics and replace them with awe, wonder, and curiosity. We are downright lucky that we evolved this complex moral psychology that allowed our species to burst out of the forests and savannas and into the delights, comforts, and extraordinary peacefulness of modern societies in just a few thousand years. . . I want to show you that an obsession with righteousness (leading inevitably to self-righteousness) is the normal human condition. It is a feature of our evolutionary design, not a bug or error that crept into minds that would otherwise be objective and rational."

I hardly feel qualified to make any kind of judgments on this book having little background in philosophy, especially moral philosophy, so I especially appreciate Haidt's lucid summary of the development of moral philosophy through examples and hypotheticals.

I remember several years ago having a visit from the local anti-abortion denizens, nice people, very concerned about youth, etc. They steered the conversation to abortion, their favorite topic. Being of a liberal and hopefully rational and reasoned mindset myself, I described a book I had recently read,The Facts of Life: Science and the Abortion Controversy by Harold J. Morowitz, James Trefil, a small, excellent analysis of the abortion debate that contains a plea for looking at the issue rationally. I described their suggestion that we need to decide what constitutes "human" and then see when the fetus acquires the capability (cerebral cortex) to be human, etc. etc. To which the response was, "well, I don't believe that." All debate and discussions ceases when that statement arrives. Now, I could have said, well, you old biddy, I don't give a fuck what you believe, I'm trying to find some common ground here." But, my mother having raised me as a good little boy who is always polite to old people, I merely sat there rather stunned. That's the problem. How do you create a discussion of issues when either side can just say, well, I don't believe that.

This is not just a conservative or right-wing problem. Try having a rational or reasonable discussion about the merits of circumcision, climate. autism, raw milk or veganism. I guarantee the true believers will immediately assemble with truckloads of vitriol. We all suffer from what Haidt calls "confirmation bias," that is, our gut tells us what to believe first and then we seek out justifications for that belief.

Haidt's book reaffirms what has become fairly obvious: we divide ourselves into tribes and those tribes consist of like-minded people which we use to validate our intuitive predispositions. His stated goal is to attempt to find a way to bridge the divide between two different moral world views., and to find a way for each side to at least understand the other's perspective.

Both left and right are motivated by the moral foundations of care, fairness, liberty, loyalty, authority and sanctity. But they differ qualitatively: liberals tend to care more about suffering and violence; conservatives care about harm done to others but not as intensely. Conservatives, on the other hand, place more emphasis on fairness, i.e. getting what you deserve. Both sides value liberty but have differing definition as to what constitutes the oppressor. Similarly, with fairness, each side values it but define it differently: liberals view it from the standpoint of equality while conservatives look to proportionality, i.e. fairness is being rewarded for your accomplishments and if you work harder you should be rewarded proportionally.

The biggest divisions relate to sanctity, authority and loyalty. You can easily guess where the preferences of conservatives and liberals lie. Haidt suggests that liberals will fail to gain wider acceptance until they come to terms with those three moral values and find someway to create their own vocabulary validating them. I would add that liberals will have to be more accepting of groups, particularly religious ones (as much as I despise them,) which serve an evolutionary need to discount selfishness and promote group adherence and benefits.

To some extent that's why I am so puzzled by the right's celebration of Ayn Rand who promoted the antithesis of group-think by celebrating independence and selfishness, i.e. think of yourself first and what benefits accrue to yourself through your actions. She hated coercion both governmental and religious, in particular, yet both encourage group adherence and loyalty.

I just wonder how much of what Haidt says come from his intuitive side (the elephant) and how much from the rational or reasoning part (the rider.)

Here's a quote that struck me: "And why do so many Westerners, even secular ones, continue to see choices about food and sex as being heavily loaded with moral significance? Liberals sometimes say that religious conservatives are sexual prudes for whom anything other than missionary-position intercourse within marriage is a sin. But conservatives can just as well make fun of liberal struggles to choose a balanced breakfast—balanced among moral concerns about free-range eggs, fair-trade coffee, naturalness, and a variety of toxins, some of which (such as genetically modified corn and soybeans) pose a greater threat spiritually than biologically."
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Helen (Helena/Nell) The quotation sounds fascinating. Interested to see what you make of this one in the end.


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Karen· Is there an answer to that last why? About loading our choices with moral significance? Or is it a rhetorical question?

Why do we go on buying organic/fair trade, when it is a) more expensive and b) there's barely a detectable difference in the flavour and c) there's probably very little difference in the toxic level for each of us personally (anyway, we can't live forever; we exercise and have our 5 a day and my dh drinks green tea, but we're still going to have to die of something)? Are we just aligning ourselves with a particular group and then rationalizing our choice? Or is there a moral element to saying you don't want to buy into an exploitative system, or one that poisons our water with excess fertilizers or diminishes the efficacy of antibiotics by pumping chickens with them? I dunno. I'll have another cup of my fair trade organic coffee and think about it for a while.


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Ted Well, for me, is it exactly that there is a "moral element to saying (I) don't want to buy into an exploitative system, or one that poisons our water with excess fertilizers or diminishes the efficacy of antibiotics by pumping chickens with them", as Karen says. That is indeed probably the major reason why we buy organic food, to the extent that we do. Probably 90% of the food we eat during the late spring to fall is locally grown, though much of that cannot be described as organic, even if it is, because of the difficulty of getting that certification.


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Lisa Vegan Well, of course, I have some strong opinions (backed up by what I've read and learned and experienced) on some of the things you touch on in your review. I appreciate your thoughtfulness though, Eric. Everything most of us do has a moral basis, but what we choose to learn and know is definitely different. And, then, there are many gray areas and complicated issues.


message 5: by Eric_W (last edited Sep 18, 2012 06:54PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Eric_W Lisa wrote: "Well, of course, I have some strong opinions (backed up by what I've read and learned and experienced) on some of the things you touch on in your review. I appreciate your thoughtfulness though, Er..."

This is certainly an unsettling book for those of us who like to consider ourselves rationalists who make moral decisions based on evidence first. (I was always a Mr. Spock wannabe.) Unfortunately, Haidt has marshaled considerable research evidence to show that we intuitively decide moral positions first and then seek confirmation for the decision that is already made, confirmation that is readily available no matter what position you adopt. All of us suffer from "confirmation bias", as he calls it. Remember that he is a moral philosophy and is studying evolutionary psychology and is categorizing the moral foundations into the six categories I wrote about: care, fairness, liberty, loyalty, authority and sanctity. We are genetically predisposed to value some more than others and the divide falls generally into self-defined labels of conservative and liberal. I suspect none of us really wants to believe we have been so predisposed genetically -- I certainly don't -- but there it is. Very interesting book.

One criticism I had is that contrary to the first paragraph I cited, I don't think he adequately discusses how persons who value different moral positions more strongly than others can bridge the divide.


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Lisa Vegan I agree that confirmation bias is always with us, but I've made too many changes because of information that caught me unawares to believe it's the only factor.

It does sound like an interesting book.


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Athens Hi Eric, and thanks for taking the time to write this up. It is a timely topic. Not certain that I accept the thesis, albeit at one remove, but not rejected either. Maybe another book to add onto the reading pile.

I recall as a kid everybody being so excited about how improving communications would bring the world together. Peace and Love kind of thing.

Well, since then we can see that has not happened, and since then I have learned that there are some kinds of together that we are better off without viz North Korean style where the whole population is a prison.

Regardless, this is such a timely topic. Good to know that somebody is out there tackling it and again, THANK YOU for your energy and effort in a solid review!


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Paul Bryant yes, great review!


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Larry Bassett If I was looking for a serious, interesting and important (to me) book, this one would certainly have to be on the list. I wonder where I would see myself as I read. As it is, my TBR shelf is bulging and my brain is begging more for mysteries than moralities.

I would be reading this book as a war tax resister, a person who conscientiously commits the civil disobedience of openly refusing to pay federal income taxes because of the amount of that money that goes to war and preparation for war.

It is amazing to me how we have hedged the morality of killing. The confluence of war, abortion and capital punishment is a turbulent area for me.


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Anthony Buckley Good review, Eric. One’s opinions on controversial subjects are rarely taken merely as dispassionate comments on real life of course, but also as badges – or a kind of shorthand - that define one’s identity and social allegiances. To express sympathy for the wrong cause is to risk losing one’s friends.
I became aware of the importance of this when writing and lecturing about the Orange Order here in Ulster. My interest in this organization was primarily to find out the significance of its rituals, so I didn’t bother to say whether I liked or disliked this organization.
I found, however, that this (for me) unexceptional stance of neutrality frequently made people quite agitated. People kept pressing to find out where I stood. Was I for or against? This alerted me to the fact that other social scientists writing about Ulster generally took care to spice up their dispassionate science with a clear indication of their own allegiances. Science, it seemed was all very well, but, as people sometimes say here, “we like to know who you are”.


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New Deal vs Iraq War


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Shelley Great review!! While you and I seem to have different stances, your review has made me want to read it sooner rather than later.


✿.Ⓐⓟⓞⓞⓡⓥⓐ.✿ I love your views, and this seems like a great book even though I'm just fifteen :)


Stuart Berman "I am so puzzled by the right's celebration of Ayn Rand"

I am puzzled by this comment, as Haidt addresses it clearly, the libertarians (who often adore Rand) and conservatives (who don't care for her) have joined in common purpose as he described in chapter 12. The two groups don't really care for each other but the Leftist positions are a threat to both. I think Haidt also avoid the term 'right' except in the discussion of French history, where the right is better termed Monarchist. Haidt's discussion about the difference between Orthodoxy and conservatism is also helpful in this regard.

His statement that liberals want to save some of the bees while endangering the whole hive probably sums up the tension best.


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Charlie The final statement the quote is page 15 and there I began to question Haidt's intellectual abilities. EAsy to understand harm in non sustainable meat production. At the rate we use water, (waste water) feed cattle etc, (waste grain) and exhaust resources the long range effect is cabable of causeing great harm, to the food supply, and health of the people. Maybe kids can not see this but a rational man can. This author is a hack he not too bright, I am trying to read this book but 20 pages in and it is not thoughtful and clearly has its own confirmation bias.


Eric_W Charlie wrote: "The final statement the quote is page 15 and there I began to question Haidt's intellectual abilities. EAsy to understand harm in non sustainable meat production. At the rate we use water, (waste w..."

It's unfortunate that you focus on a quote that is asking a question and derive from that a belligerent attitude toward the author and book. I would argue it's difficult to make a rational judgment about a book after reading only twenty pages. My father always said (and he was right) that you can't talk about a book you haven't read.


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Margitte Excellent review!


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