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In my opinion, far too many Israelis have the same attitude as the likes of Smotrich and Gvir - they consider the Palestinians as Untermenschen.As an example, on the West Bank there was a protest against the settlements. The IDF accused the protesters of throwing stones so they shot Aysenur Ezgi Eygi through the head. There was no evidence she ever threw anything and she was 200 meters away from the IDF soldiers. Do you believe a 26 year old woman could throw a stone 200 meters? Or for that matter, anyone? That was just plain murder, in fact worse, more like pople who kill someone's pet cats because they can.
So who cares? You really think the Israeli soldier will suffer? Then there is the problem that they only reason we know of this is she is a US citizen, but do you think Washington will do anything? A modest letter of protest and send more bombs?
Re the genocide unfolding in Gaza and now the West Bank...America is equally culpable.
Beyond that...words fail me.
"Your name shall no more be Judea but Palestine" - Roman Emperor Hadrian to the Jews; 135 CE.In 1947, Muslims begged of Britain not to call the land as Palestine, because it referred to Judea, Land of the Jews. Britain refused.
In 1964, Egyptian born Arafat proclaimed himself the Palestinian Authority.
Q: Will they rob the name 'Zionists' too and will those claiming the truth will set you free - comply again?
Q: Does it mean Jesus was born in 'Islamic' Bethlehem?
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Just because the some people have some historical claim to be called zionists does not give them the right to kill those who lived there.Even if Hadrian changed the name, so what? Palestine actually incorporated more than Judaea, and anyway, what other laws passed down by Hadrian does anyone else obey now?
Ian wrote: "Just because some people have some historical claim to be called Zionists does not give them the right to kill those who lived there."Not a single Arab was ever killed by Israel, outside of 'Death to Israel' chants. 20% of Israel's population are Arabs, when the original Arab population in Palestine was 700,000; how many Jews in Iraq, Syria and Medina - which once had massive Jewish populations older than the Arab group? Israel was returned legally by both the previous UN body and the British 2-state Mandate of 1948. The name change says this was not Arab land; the name robbery of 'Palestinians' says who the invaders are. The British handed the Arabs 21 new states that never existed before. Islam is new, Israel is old: there was never a time without Jews in Palestine.
No solution to this problem appears unless the Balfour Declaration is restored, the Arabs accepted by the 20 Arab states and massive compensation be made. Britain is facing Karma for corrupting the Balfour and its White Paper barring Jews fleeing the Nazis. Israel is a nation almost 4,000 years and it should merit better respect. Israel has never occupied another peoples' land in all her recorded history.
And no, Moses was not a Muslim because the Arab race never existed then. The first time the term 'Arab' appears is in the Hebrew book of Nehemiah, dated 450 BCE; no Arabs are recorded before this date.
First, we need to define "Arab". If it means they came from Arabia, there will not be that many in Israel. Then "Israel was returned legally by both the previous UN body and the British 2-state Mandate of 1948." Define legally. The US and Britain gave what was not theirs, and all the other UN votes went along with the US without thinking. The Balfour declaration was a simple deal by British politicians, e.g. Balfour, to raise money to fight the Germans in WW I. In return for the money,the UK was to give the Jews their Israel but Britain did not own it. Let's not gloss over this piece of financial opportunism. The serious Jewish immigration in the 1930s was actually encouraged in Germany by Reinhard Heydrich, because he knew the Jews would pay back the Br4itish, and they did. (There lies another example of manipulation. At least Heydrich was honest as to what he was doing and why.) At least two Israeli prime ministers (Begin and Shamir) were terrorists against the British. If you want to call them freedom fighters, why not call the Palestinians the same.Exactly how does "restoring the Balfour declaration" solve anything? You are presumably not intending to give the Palestinians back the land taken by force? And don't try to argue the settlement and most of Israel was actually purchased by "willing buyer/willing seller"? The mess is there because the US backs Israel, and it does that because no US politician is going to get very far by irritating the Jewish vote. I am afraid the problem in that part of the world started with money and it remains money, and the Palestinans don't have any.
I am unsure when the word "Arab" appeared, but there is clear evidence of trade between Syria through Bosra to Arabia recorded in 1700 BC and it may well go back earlier. Whether they called themselves Arabs I know not, but they were there.
Ian wrote: "First, we need to define "Arab". If it means they came from Arabia, there will not be that many in Israel. Then "Israel was returned legally by both the previous UN body and the British 2-state Man..." Archaeology does not lie; it can even resolve pretend fog.
1. The Tel Dan Stele, dated 3,000-years old, proves King David was the sovereign King Israel.
2. The Egyptian Amarna Letters prove the Hebrews [Hibiru] were in Egypt 3,400 years ago.
3. The Merneptah Stele [also called The Israel Stele], dated 3,300-years old, records the first time the word 'Israel' appears in hewn stone.
4. Arabs are not old, the first record of this term is in the Hebrew Book of Nehemiah [6-1] and dated as 450 BCE.
5. Israel follows the reverse of the chant "Islam will rule the world". Israel’s borders [Duet 2,2-6], as per a document at least proven as more than 2,500-years old. "Then the LORD said to me [Moses]: “Give the people these orders: ‘You are about to pass through the territory of your relatives the descendants of Esau, who live in Seir. They will be afraid of you, but be very careful. Do not provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land, not even enough to put your foot on. I have given Esau the hill country of Seir as his own."
6. Israel was returned legally in 1948, and is, among all the 22 Arab countries created by Britain, the only country that existed before.
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How can any people suddenly become Palestinians after 2,000 years and make it the antithesis of Israel - it's absurd and fake, a fantastic historical lie bordering on anti-Israel and the most terrible form of anti-Semitism. What's next: Britain taken over by the Britanistans?
Joseph wrote: "Ian wrote: "First, we need to define "Arab". If it means they came from Arabia, there will not be that many in Israel. Then "Israel was returned legally by both the previous UN body and the British..."Your case seems to be because the word "Israel" was first written 3000 years ago, that gave anyone who claims historical association with King David the right to have come and booted the residents of the area out of their property (The Naqba). The land at the turn of the twentieth century was a province of the Ottoman Empire, and citizens had property rights. These were honoured under the British Mandate, and disregarded after 1948. The word "Palestinian" refers to those who were residents in the area called Palestine. To argue you have property rights that cancel those who purchased or inherited their properties under the law up to 1948 based on some claim from 2000 years ago is simply bizarre. Or more, simply greed and the use of power. In fairness, most of the Jews in Israel are not to blame for this, but it is their responsibility to do something to not continue the present situation.
The present situation is a mliitary occupation of the West Bank, an abandonment of responsibiity in Gaza while choking the area, and running an apartheid system in Israel. If you deny that last point, explain where Palestinians enjoy exactly the same rights as Jews.
Ian, Joseph, AlbertoIt seems complicated.
We can at least agree on that.
I think the root problem is that religion has been introduced to the argument. Certain people believe they have certain entitlements because it was decreed by God...or by Allah depending on which side you're on.
Which highlights the question: Should religion even come into it?
My short answer is no, but try to keep it out.
JERUSALEM — An Israeli strike on an area in the Gaza Strip home to Palestinians displaced by the Israel-Hamas war has killed at least 40 people and wounded 60 others, authorities said Tuesday.
The Palestinian news agency WAFA reported the toll for the strike, citing medical officials, and suggested the figures could change.
Details about the strike in the Mawasi coastal community just west of Khan Younis that the Israeli military has designated as a humanitarian zone remained unclear. The area is home to many Palestinians displaced by the Israel-Hamas war in which the Israeli military has devastated the wider Gaza Strip after Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel.
The Israeli military described the strike as hitting “significant Hamas terrorists who were operating within a command-and-control center,” without immediately providing additional evidence.
Hamas in a reported statement denied that, though Israel long has accused Hamas and other militants of hiding in civilian populations.
Footage circulating on social media showed deep craters at the site of the attack, the strewn ruins around it covered in shredded tents, a bicycle and other debris. Rescue workers used shovels to shift through the sand. Bystanders used their hands to dig, illuminated by mobile phone light. At least one crater at the site looked to be as deep as 10 meters (32 feet).
The Israeli military said it used “precise munitions, aerial surveillance and additional means” it did not immediately describe to limit civilian casualties.
Gaza’s Health Ministry says over 40,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the war began. It does not differentiate between fighters and civilians in its count. The war has caused vast destruction and displaced around 90% of Gaza’s population of 2.3 million, often multiple times.
Hamas-led militants killed some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in their Oct. 7 attack. They abducted another 250 and are still holding around 100 after releasing most of the rest in exchange for Palestinians imprisoned by Israel during a weeklong cease-fire last November. Around a third of the remaining hostages are believed to be dead.
Meanwhile, the United Nations agency in charge of aid for displaced Palestinians said the Israeli military stopped a convoy for more than eight hours on Monday, despite it coordinating with the troops.
The agency’s head Philippe Lazzarini said the staffers who were held had been trying to work on a polio vaccination campaign in northern Gaza and Gaza City.
“The convoy was stopped at gun point just after the Wadi Gaza checkpoint with threats to detain UN staff,” he wrote on the social platform X. “Heavy damage was caused by bulldozers to the UN armoured vehicles.”
He said the staff and the convoy later returned to a U.N. base but it was unclear if a polio vaccination campaign would take place Tuesday in northern Gaza.
“UN Staff must be allowed to undertake their duties in safety + be protected at all times in accordance with international humanitarian law, he wrote. “Gaza is no different.”
The Israeli military did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The vaccination drive, launched after doctors discovered the first polio case in the Palestinian enclave in 25 years, aims to vaccinate 640,000 children during a war that has destroyed the health care system.
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