Wikitech-l June 2004

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Time to get some new servers
by Camille Constans 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Hello, As wikipedia is slow at the busy time, I propose to get some new servers for our cluster. - Some new web servers(3 or 4), P4 2,8Ghz with 2Go of RAM - A server which could be a backup for nfs server, zwinger, with bigger disk, 80Go is very low, maybe 200 or 250Go - Upgrading disk of zwinger to 200 or 250Go (or add a new one) - A db server in 64 bits mode with 4Go of RAM (if we cant make working geoffrin), like this one : http://www.macomp.com/products/servers/patriot2200.asp With raid 10 disk system, 4 or 6 drives in raid and 1 stand-by. I prefer 15000rpm disk, but I can understand that they are more expensive - Maybe another squid server What do you think of that ? Shaihulud

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Klingon resurrected
by Tim Starling 18 Sep '04

18 Sep '04

Firstly, I'm disappointed Erik chose to characterise my stated motivation as "false pretenses", as if I had some kind of bias towards Klingon and I deliberately tried to mislead the list. I mistakenly created Klingon, I did not try to pull a swiftie on the Wikimedia community. I hope that Erik's choice of words was in error. Jimbo issued one statement against Klingon and one statement in favour of Klingon. His opinion was thus sufficiently ambiguous that my pretext was removed. However he later clarified his position by withdrawing his initial statement -- both on wikitech-l and on #wikipedia. I would have been happy to re-enable the wiki as soon as he did this, however he asked me to wait for the discussion to pan out. The compromise agreed to by Erik and Timwi is to allow the Klingon Wikipedia, but to avoid interlanguage links. Accordingly, I have commented out the Klingon entry in $wgLanguageNames. This means that markup of the form [[tlh:wIqIpe'DIya]] will create an external link rather than an interlanguage link, just like links to meta or sep11. Otherwise the wiki is fully functional. http://tlh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page -- Tim Starling

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Graph drawing plugin
by Jakob 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

hi! In de: we have a lot of articles on graph theory missing example images. Graphs are also useful in other articles to visualize information. Editing images of graphs with your favorite program and format is a consumption of time and nobody can easily alter my images. We do have <math> and <hiero>-section. I'd like editable graphs with <graph>...</graph>. We could easily use the DOT-syntax and [http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz/ graphviz] to create PNG-images or SVG. It's damn powerful and not that complicated! Greetings, Jakob

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Alt-B
by Troels Arvin 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Hello, In the new default skin, the Alt-B key combination seems to bound to the "what links here" function. Alt-B is normally the shortcut to the bookmarks, at least in my browser (Mozilla Firefox). I find the binding to "what links here" rather annoying, because it blocks me from a keyboard shortcut. I doubt that I'm the only one annoyed by this. I suggest that the Alt-B key mapping be dropped or changed to something else. -- Greetings from Troels Arvin, Copenhagen, Denmark

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wikisource.com
by Jimmy Wales 06 Aug '04

06 Aug '04

By accident, I typed http://www.wikisource.com/ and achieved an undesirable result. This is presumably a very minor configuration issue somewhere. --Jimbo

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RSS-Feeds
by Jakob 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Hi, [[meta:MediaWiki_roadmap]] states that RSS syndication is available for many special pages, such as Special:Newpages. Which special pages are you talking of? * wiki.phtml?title=Special:Newpages&feed=rss is ok. But all the other pages I tried do not work * Special:Recentchangeslinked * Special:Whatlinkshere * Special:Watchlist * Special:Categories * ... Have a look at http://meta.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Categories There is a Link in the Toolbox (rss/atom) but it does not work? Thanks, Jakob

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UTF-8, excuse my ignorance
by Gerard.Meijssen 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

I remember somewhere that at conversion time the old stuff in articles are converted to UTF-8. At present I do my addition of all kinds of names for languages in the nl-wiktionary, words like ᎳᏛᏈ translate to [[ᎳᏛᏈ]]. This turns up perfectly well on the en:wikitonary. I just realised that this may not be as simple as that. My question, should these charactercodes be converted again on en:wiktionary ?? Thanks, GerardM

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Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Multiple categories
by Nikola Smolenski 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [Wikitech-l] Multiple categories Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 12:07:09 +0200 From: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)EUnet.yu> To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)Wikipedia.org> I have made a patch which enables display of all articles that belong to multiple categories. Thus, for example, Category:Female/Orthodox/Saint would return all female orthodox saints (that is, all articles which are categorised with at least [[Category:Female]], [[Category:Orthodox]] and [[Category:Saint]]). I am not sure would this make for much greater database load, but that remains to be seen in practice. Line if(strchr($t,"/")) { and corresponding else block are actually not needed but I have left them because I figure that display of a single category is slightly faster this way, and that at that point it would be easier to turn off this feature if needed. It should also be easy to limit to number of categories if that turns out to be neccesary. Index: Parser.php =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/wikipedia/phase3/includes/Parser.php,v retrieving revision 1.135 diff -u -3 -p -r1.135 Parser.php --- Parser.php 15 May 2004 00:29:07 -0000 1.135 +++ Parser.php 30 May 2004 09:11:00 -0000 @@ -318,7 +318,21 @@ class Parser # FIXME: add limits $t = wfStrencode( $this->mTitle->getDBKey() ); - $sql = "SELECT DISTINCT cur_title,cur_namespace FROM cur,categorylinks WHERE cl_to='$t' AND cl_from=cur_id ORDER BY cl_sortkey" ; + $t = preg_replace("'/+'","/",$t); + if(strchr($t,"/")) { + $ta = explode("/",$t); + $tt="cur"; $tw=""; + + $i=0; + foreach($ta as $v) { + $tt.=",categorylinks as cl$i"; + $tw.="cl$i.cl_to='$v' AND cl$i.cl_from=cl".++$i.".cl_from AND "; + } + $tw=preg_replace("' AND cl[0-9]+[.]cl_from=cl[0-9]+[.]cl_from AND $'U","",$tw); + $sql="SELECT DISTINCT cur_title,cur_namespace FROM $tt WHERE $tw AND cl0.cl_from=cur_id ORDER BY cl0.cl_sortkey"; + } else { + $sql = "SELECT DISTINCT cur_title,cur_namespace FROM cur,categorylinks WHERE cl_to='$t' AND cl_from=cur_id ORDER BY cl_sortkey" ; + } $res = wfQuery ( $sql, DB_READ ) ; while ( $x = wfFetchObject ( $res ) ) $data[] = $x ; _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Re: Setting up for the Greek language
by נפתלי פלס 16 Jul '04

16 Jul '04

‏‏"Delirium" wrote: > Timwi wrote: > > > Delirium wrote: > > > >> Timwi wrote: > >> > >>> You should probably give us more information on how Greek month > >>> names work. You have only told us what does *not* work. I might be > >>> able to come up with a technical solution if you explain to me what > >>> morphological properties of Greek need to be satisfied in the month > >>> names. > >> > >> > >> There may be cases I'm not covering, but for the one I can > >> immediately see in the interface, the issue is that "day month" type > >> dates use the possessive form of the month name, while month names > >> used by themselves use a simple noun form. > > > > [... etc. ... 'Maios' vs. '5h Maiou'] > > > > Ah-ha. I kind of thought so. So why don't you just do this: > > > > - Set the month name to "Maio" > > - In a sentence like "{{MONTHNAME}} is nice", write "{{MONTHNAME}}s > > estis bioutiphulos" > > - Set the date format to "{{DAY}} {{MONTHNAME}}u {{YEAR}}" > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > Well, unfortunately one part I had left out were the accents, which > shift when the word becomes possessive. To take the example from > Andreas's email, the simple noun form of June is "Io?nios", whereas the > possessive form is "Ioun?ou". So it would really need a separate > {{MONTHNAMEPOSSESSIVE}} or something of that sort. > > -Mark I think that in most of the languages the "{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}u" solution will solve the problem. (In Hebrew, for example, we say "Yanuar" for Jan, but "15 beYanuar" for Jan 15 - of course, in Hebrew chcracters - and when a date is needed, we use to write "{{CURRENTDAY}} be{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}" and it's all fine.) Anyway, I have a different solution: There is another already-present month template - {{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} - that I don't know for which purpose it is used, but it seems to be really redundant. So, you can use {{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} for the simple form and {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} for possessive, etc. Naftali

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action=new
by Evan Prodromou 10 Jul '04

10 Jul '04

So, right now, when we have a broken link in a page, it gets rendered like this: <a class="new" href="index.php?title=New_page&action=edit"> New page </a> The problem here is that we're not differentiating between creating a new page and editing an existing page. It's uncommon but not impossible that someone creates [[New page]] while I'm looking at this link, and when I click it to start a new page, there's text in the textarea. IWBNI we had a *different* action for creating new pages than for editing existing pages. <a class="new" href="index.php?title=New_page&action=new"> New page </a> On getting action new, we could do things like: * Show the page, if it's been created since the person fetched the referring page. * Show some set of instructions on how (or why) to start a new page, and give some other possibilities (I think the [[meta:new page page]] discusses this). * Do some cool functionality, like _new_page_templates_ (create new pages with some existing format already filled in). But we can't do anything interesting with new pages unless we know they're new pages. So, I'd like to change action=edit to action=new for broken links. Sound OK? ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou <evan(a)wikitravel.org> Wikitravel (http://wikitravel.org/)

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