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In the paragraph on "Execution" it says "Stauffenberg's family had already fled the country." But the article on his wife, Nina Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg, says she was arrested by the Gestapo, and the article on her daughter Konstanze von Schulthess, says her mother was incarcerated in Ravensbrück concentration camp. I would summarily delete the reference to family's fleeing except presumably an editor deliberately inserted it. Can anyone elucidate? Is it meant to refer to Stauffenberg's siblings rather than his wife & children? (But his brother was also executed). Exbrum (talk) 09:34, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for my English, I'm german ....

Here some background about Stauffenberg and his society (the german establishment at this time) and Hitler. The society of people like the Stauffenbergs and the Hindenburgs normal don't like Hitler in the beginning. Hitler for them was just a little soldier coming form a little society (dem Kleinbürgertum). Stauffenberg should have been an exception, because he should have liked the Nazis from the beginning. A least the establishment supported the Nazis, because they don't like democracy and they thoued, that the Nazis don't know how to govern and will make only half a year in the government. Than the planed to overtake the dictatorship. But, as everybody know, the Nazis rest in power. Many people from the old establishment have been against the war, but just because they thougt they could not win it. After the successes against France and GB they chance their mind, and become nearly all fan of Hitler. Specially in the east they committed a lot of crimes.

A the end of the war, they see, that the will loose the war, suddenly the got conscience. But the main reason, to try to kill Hitler was, that they want to rescue the old Germany and their positions. Stauffenberg don't like democracy, he want to have a dictatorship like the GDR but right. So we can be lucky, that he did not arrive to kill Hitler. Roy Batty (talk) 11:23, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the facts? What are the scientific foundations of your statements? Which recognized scientific literature can you cite to your statements? We need verifiable facts in Wikipedia, no private exegesis. If you can prove something, write it in the article. Mediatus (talk) 13:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After 20 July 1944, Stauffenberg’s ”family had already fled the country”, yet his children ”were placed in a foster home for the remainder of the war and were forced to use new surnames”.94.191.148.146 (talk) 21:55, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you; excellent catch! That unsourced and patently wrong statement had been with us since December 9, 2013. Now it's gone. Favonian (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]