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The Graphics Lab is a project to improve the graphical content of the Wikimedia projects. Requests for image improvements can be added to the workshop pages: Illustrations, Photographs and Maps. For questions or suggestions one can use the talk pages: Talk:Graphics Lab, Talk:Illustrations, Talk:Photographs and Talk:Maps.
This specific page is the requests page for the illustration workshop. Anyone can make a request for an illustration to be improved or created for a Wikipedia article. Clicking the "New Request" button will bring you to a standard template for submitting requests, as well as general advice that should be followed.

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• File:Bygaga.com.ua/pictures/interesnoe-v-seti/11534-korony-silnyh-mira-sego.html

Article(s): [[]]

Request:

please vectorize this coa - for a better picture of the crown (if needed)see bygaga-file -- JanJC (talk) 13:06, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

Template:Image

Template:Image

Article(s): Remington Steele

Request:

It's been requested two times. Third time should be charming. The above image is unfree and replaceable if you can create the stand-alone logo. For better look, here is this from Flickr. -- George Ho (talk) 18:49, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

 Done: Third time's the charm! Niamh (talk) 00:38, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you remove the blue background and make sure that borders of letters are visible? Also, can you move it to Commons? George Ho (talk) 02:12, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That will make it different from the source material. The blue background was matched against the image you provided above (including gradient shading). Also, in neither your screenshot nor the existing non-free image does the text have a border (both have drop shadows). I'm not sure I'm comfortable making material changes to the logo such as adding a border when no border exists in the sources. Niamh (talk) 02:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The logo is uncopyrightable because of commons:COM:TOO and low threshold of originality. There is no reason not to. George Ho (talk) 02:35, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a matter of copyright but one of accuracy and correctness. There's no reason to have a logo that is not representative of the actual logo. I simply do not wish to invent graphical elements of a logo from whole cloth. Niamh (talk) 02:48, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Harry Potter logo is actually gold, but the Wikipedia copy of the logo is black. Regarding accuracy and correctness, the blue background was cropped from Hulu screenshot, and is only for the 2nd season of the show. The whole logo won't be affected by minor bordering as long as the whole font of the logo is true to the logo. George Ho (talk) 02:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So, the blue background IS representative then. You still haven't given me any justification to make this change other than "why not?". As an aside, I made the change locally just to see what it would look like. It looked terrible. Trust me on that. I also reversed the colours (blue letters on transparent background). That looked less terrible. Here's all three together: http://www.flickr.com/photos/111880835@N06/11437088763/in/set-72157638798843594 Niamh (talk) 15:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I like the second row one from Flickr, but I'd like it without the opaque or something like that. You can create a separate file of it, please, without changing the file. Modern Family, The Cosby Show, and other stand-alone logos exist in Wikipedia. The Remington Steele logo without the background must be uploaded to make the logo look good. Shadows are no big deal, if you know what I mean. I can handle the shadows well. And you are too concerned about trademarks. As for the blue background, the unfree image omits the blue background and has just fingerprint, lip marks, black background, and a pistol. None of these things are subject to discussion in the article, and there are too many opening sequences of one show. Ask WT:TV or Masem about truly representing the logo. George Ho (talk) 20:38, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this has nothing to do with trademark or copyright or anything else you've brought up. This is about adding a graphical element that is not part of the logo contrary to WP:LOGO. In none of your examples was a graphical element arbitrarily added to the logos. None of them had borders, shadows, or any other material elements added to them. So far, you've not provided a justification for this change. Unless a good justification is provided, I can not in good conscience add a border simply because "you like it better". However, you or another graphist are free to do so, of course. Niamh (talk) 21:46, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All right, if no one want to create a white logo, how about a black (or blue) stand-alone, background-less logo? George Ho (talk) 01:19, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That I will do. Niamh (talk) 01:38, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Niamh (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can other suitable colors be created? I've already uploaded images to Commons, yet the blue needs to be a little lighter. George Ho (talk) 05:12, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  Ribbon alternate for old barnstar
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  Logo used for Shintoism articles

Article(s): WP:Barnstars; Template:The Shinto Barnstar; WP:Ribbons

Request:

There evidently used to be a Shinto Barnstar. The above ribbon is all that seems to remain of it. Since I don't remember the star itself, perhaps it just makes more sense to create a new image, using the above logo used for Shintoism article. -- Achowat (talk) 14:48, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

What do you think of something along these lines?

Template:Image

It needs a bit of colour work, but I wanted to get a rough cut out there for you for feedback. Niamh (talk) 14:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine to me. Achowat (talk) 22:36, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Brilliant I'll leave it to you to add to the barnstar award template Niamh (talk) 22:48, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article(s): Coat of arms of Newfoundland and Labrador and others

Request:

We still do not have a SVG of that CoA! Wo wants to draw it?

Graphist opinion(s):

• IELTS (Vectorised)
  IELTS (Vectorised)
• TOEFL (Vectorised)
  TOEFL (Vectorised)
• GRE (Vectorised)
  GRE (Vectorised)
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  New SAT (Vectorized)
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  GMAT (Vectorised)

Article(s): International English Language Testing System, Test of English as a Foreign Language, Graduate Record Examinations, SAT Reasoning Test and Graduate Management Admission Test

Request:

Please convert all these images to SVG formate.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 00:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

 Done GMAT Niamh (talk) 10:26, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done IELTS Niamh (talk) 11:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done TOEFL Niamh (talk) 12:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done GRE Niamh (talk) 12:31, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done SAT Reasoning Test. Unfortunately, I don't have a font even close to that to use as a reference and the GIF is waaay too low resolution to attempt to draw each letter by hand ("IELTS", "ETS", "TOEFL", "GRE", and "GMAT" all had their letters hand-drawn individually). Perhaps if a higher resolution version were to be found? Alternatively, another graphist which might have something closer to the reference font might want to take a stab at it. Niamh (talk) 12:31, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The font is Serifa [1] Sn1pe! ^(talk) 16:36, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is a new SAT logo (see above) Sn1pe! ^(talk) 16:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done New SAT logo Sn1pe! ^(talk) 17:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant! Thank you, Sn1per Niamh (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  Jingle Bells sheet music
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  Completely reworked and vectorised

Article(s): Jingle Bells

Request:

Here's a little request for Christmas. Please vectorise this musical notation. A few things you should know though, it has a load of issues. The punctuation is bad, for example, there should be a comma after the second "bells", and "O" should be "O!"; also, the music is written a bit sloppily: the quarter rest at the end of the second line is too far right. One could also question giving the same horizontal space to notes of different length, but that's a stylistic choice, albeit one that would make this far more difficult to use as sheet music.--109.76.136.237 (talk) 23:54, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

An interesting note is that it appears this image is a derivative of this one (or perhaps they derive from the same third source). Although the font is different, it has the exact same spelling quirks, metre, and spacing as the sample input. Niamh (talk) 00:16, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done: I've not colourised it because I thought it was a mite cheesy. However, if you like, I can do that. Hopefully this does what you need though. Niamh (talk) 08:38, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I need it copied to Commons so other wikis can use it 109.78.207.144 (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because of server sync lag (see the AMD discussion above), I tend to keep the file on enwiki until all changes are done. Additionally, since copying to Commons is a task that anyone can do, I leave it up to the requester to copy to Commons if desired. However, since you are an IP, I'll take pity and move it for you. Niamh (talk) 20:22, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. 109.78.207.144 (talk) 20:39, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome Niamh (talk) 21:04, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's one issue: In the second system, the C# is labelled with a sharp on every note thus affected. It should only be mrked on the first one (and with the natural at the end of the bar. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I attempted to do that, but MuseScore wouldn't allow it. It was either all marked # or the second note was forced to a natural. Given that, I deferred to the software. As near as I could tell, it also wouldn't let me add that sharp to the bar signature. How big a deal is this? I can change it manually, but is this a real issue or a stylistic one? Niamh (talk) 03:18, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Doesn't matter. I removed the extra sharps and updated the commons version only. The enwiki version will be deleted shortly anyway so I'm not going to bother updating both. (This is why I don't copy to Commons until AFTER all changes are made.) Niamh (talk) 03:31, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid there's one other issue I probably should have said: one does not beam notes in sung music unless the notes beamed are the same syllable. This song doesn't have any slurs in the section quoted, so none of them should be beamed. Secondly, it should be in 2/4, not 4/4: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:One_Horse_Open_Sleigh_chorus_notation.jpg Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 03:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I buy this claim. This isn't a vocal score. This is a piano reduction with lyrics attached. Vocal score lines tend to not have chords. Besides, there's hundreds of counter examples with a simple Google search. Additionally, the input source was 4/4; the output was 4/4. What exactly are you asking for here? Are you actually changing the request for vectorisation of a completely different file now? That's a totally different arrangement from that of the original request. Niamh (talk) 04:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm simply pointing out the original was in 2/4, and providing evidence to that effect. It seems to make more sense. Further, vocal arrangements are quite regularly in chords when you're looking at an SATB arrangement, and if you compare the SATB arrangement in that link to the one here, you'll see it's actually quite similar, albeit in Ab instead of G. It's not exactly the same, but close. See, for example, http://conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/9/9a/IMSLP47928-PMLP101516-O_come_all_ye_faithful_-__Adeste_Fideles__Wade.pdf a similar a capella arrangement that uses chords. A quick check of any operatic vocal score will find that the chorus is reduced in this way in 99% of cases, albeit there will usually be an orchestral accompaniment, reduced to piano, and written below the chords used for vocal music. I take it you don't sing?

While it's not unheard of to beam notes where they don't represent one syllable, it's certainly not the preference. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:46, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SATB? Opera? This is "Jingle Bells"! However, I did do that "quick check" and looked up the score of "Aida", "La Bohème", and a more contemporary aria, none of which support your claim (i.e. all the vocal staves are unchorded). Although I'm sure such pieces could be found if I looked hard enough, none of it matters because "Jingle Bells" isn't an opera and this score isn't SATB. Please note the brace on the system (not a bracket) meaning a single instrument, namely a piano or similar. This is simple, traditional popular music and this embossing style is very common in that context [2][3][4][5][6][7] and of course [8]. I'm not saying you are wrong in general, but I'm more saying that you are applying the wrong set of standards to this piece. Niamh (talk) 20:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to do anything else to the image, try to do it before December 25th. 109.78.207.144 (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why? There's no deadline. No one owns this image on Wikipedia. The flip-side of that is that no one, including me, has any obligation to do anything with it. Just like with the rest of Wikipedia, this image is subject to continual improvement and modification by anyone who cares to do so. Right now, there's just a (minor) disagreement on what those improvements, if any, should be. Niamh (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  ME that
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  ME thou
• ME ye
  ME ye
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  Pitman Shorthand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Alphabet_images_that_should_be_in_SVG_format

Article(s): Thorn (letter) and friends, Pitman shorthand

Request:

Vectorize 'em all! Let's clean out this aging category. The funny-looking "p" letter is actually the Thorn (letter)

Graphist opinion(s):

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  Pros: nice texture on dentin; nice colors. Cons: End of roots fades into white for some reason
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  Pros: more detail of surrounding structures: blood vessels and alveolar bone. Cons: unrealistic colors, vertical lettering not desirable, nerves and periodontal ligament fibers not shown.
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  Pros:fairly realistic colors, representation of periodontal ligament fibers, nerves, blood vessels. Cons: too much distracting labels, could have some textures added...

Article(s): Potentially a lot. Dental anatomy and sub pages. Related dental pathology articles.

Request:

Myself and another editor are working on toothache right now, and we have not yet discovered a decent cross-sectional anatomy diagram of a human tooth. I have pasted here .jpg files that potentially could be used as a basis. There are also .svg version but I do not understand how or why these are different. We both had a brief and inexpert search on Commons and these were the best. To summarize the qualities of the ideal intended diagram:

1. Realistic colors, as in basic anatomy tooth.jpg
2. Realistic textures, e.g. lines drawn in dentin which are representative of the true orientation of dentin tubules, similarly with enamel, periodontal ligament fibers, medullary and cortical bone in the alveolar process, etc.
3. Representation of nerves
4. Lack of labeling-- I am happy to label the diagram after the graphist has finished. Also I think it is better to label with numbers so it can be used on other language wikis.

An excellent diagram can be found here from Grays anatomy: [9]. Doesn't have to be nearly as detailed as this, but suggest this can be used for reference, and everything you might need to know about how teeth look like can be found here: [10]

Many thanks if anyone can help. -- Lesion (talk) 16:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

Is this something for you Cross_sections_of_teeth? --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en: thank you, I have seen that diagram before, but forgot to post it here. I think this one is used in dental anatomy articles currently. Call me demanding, but I think we can do better than all of these ... I have added this to the above gallery with pros and cons in the caption. Lesion (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Request taken by Goran tek-en (talk) 10:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC).[reply]
I will be glad to work on this so I will start and then we have to work together to make it as good as we need, so watch this section/page. --Goran tek-en (talk) 10:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

=) Thank you Lesion (talk) 14:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can find a first draft here but I haven't added anything to the dental pulp yet. I wanted you to tell me if this is what you want before I do to much work on it.

When I look at that link there is some darker spots at the end of the lines, do you have them also?

They disappear when you zoom in or download and open it so it has some to do with the presentation. So tell me if you see it and give me feedback so far. --Goran tek-en (talk) 21:04, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for giving this project your attention. Yes this is the kind of thing I had in mind. Some constructive comments:

• yes darker spots can be seen at this size
• orientation of the lines in the enamel (white outer layer) is accurate to life
• orientation of the lines in the dentin (tan inner layer, which will represent dentinal tubules), is not entirely true to life. Around the "waist" of the tooth (cervical margin), the lines have been drawn horizontally. In life, these are not horizontal but they are oblique. See: [11] for reference.
• The shading on the enamel looks good!

Other features that would be good to add:

• Short lines radiating from the roots of the tooth (to represent periodontal ligament fibers), orientated as in [12]
• Some simple red, blue and yellow lines (to represent arterioles, venules and nerves respectively), orientated as in above reference. There is no need for that level of detail
• A layer covering the roots (to represent cementum). Should not be green like in "Cross sections of teeth intl.svg", but instead a more realistic color similar, but distinguishable from the dentin tan color.

Many thanks, and apologies for being so demanding. I am a perfectionist but I have no talent for this kind of thing, which makes a frustrating combination when I try to make diagrams =/ Lesion (talk) 21:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are not to demanding, if I do something I want it to be as good as it can so no problem. Of course I will add more details, this first draft was just to make sure that we understood each other.

 Question: Do you want the yellow nerves to be on one side and the blue/red on the other side as in this [13], or should they be all together? --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:00, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, hmmm... I suppose having the nerves and blood vessels on both sides would be more accurate, but what ever is easier for you. Many thanks, Lesion (talk) 00:11, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  Now
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  Extracted from PDF

Article(s): Somaliland and many more

Request:

The depiction of the Somaliland emblem is inadequate (only an autotracing of an low quality file). Now I found an SVG in a official PDF[14], but this image is incomplete. Can someone add the hands? For the pigeon, you might find one in commons:Category:Pigeons in heraldry -- Antemister (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

On the last page of the PDF file, there is a version of the emblem which includes the hands and which has an Arabic inscription inside the eagle (in place of what looks like a pigeon on the autotraced emblem). I'll try and upload that version when I'm sure how to license it. SiBr₄ ("CyberFour") (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I did really only look on the first page. In fact, I can upload the file by myself. Copyright situation is easy in that case, neither Somalia nor Somaliland do have copyright laws.--Antemister (talk) 21:49, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I already extracted the emblem from the PDF file and have an SVG version ready. Can I use the PD-Somalia tag if I upload the file? ([15] explicitly says Somali copyright law doesn't hold in Somaliland.) SiBr₄ ("CyberFour") (talk) 21:54, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Somalia seems to have some IP-related laws, which do not apply now in Somaliland. But if the page says that there is no copyright law Somaliand, I assume that you can use that Template (or one might create a PD-Somaliland one).--Antemister (talk) 22:11, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done: File:Official Emblem of Somaliland.svg. SiBr₄ ("CyberFour") (talk) 22:31, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article(s): Desilu Productions

Request:

There should be an SVG derivative. -- George Ho (talk) 05:52, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):