Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnold Murray

Arnold Murray

BLP of a person of very marginal notability; even the pre-stub version didn't do too well to assert notability other than being a midday televangelist on some unnamed stations. Will ^(talk) 02:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion is to delete it because the article attracts too many hotheads and loyalists that change it and make it very POV. It should not be deleted for the reason of marginal notability, if you use that reason then there are many, many articles that should be deleted. Examples are other tele-evangelists, there is an article for each cast member of the show hi-5, a show that is less notable than arnold murray, there is an article on ray wilkerson who worked at a tv station in north carolina, and the list goes on.65.87.185.73 (talk) 02:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Accorrding to that logic we should delete every controversial article on wikipedia. I'm not sure if you've looked at the George W. Bush article, but that attracts more than its fare share of hotheads, loyalists, and vandals. If you look at the edit history you will notice there are usually at least 5 vandalism reverts and additions per day. The Bush article isn't the only one, a list of controversial articles can be found here. The article just needs to be watched to ensure that POV doesn't get pushed. --Nn123645 (talk) 05:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per

WP:NOTABILITY and WP:NOT - There are millions of non-notable preachers, only notable ones should be mentioned. There is no such thing as "marginal notability." Something either is notable or it isn't.
WP:RS and WP:V - There are no reliable sources and references.
WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE - This article seemed to have been created to support this man's religious beliefs.
WP:BLP - The arguments above especially apply in this case.

However, anonymous user above: "the article attracts too many hotheads and loyalists" appears to be an argument to avoid in deletion discussions. See appeal to consequences and slippery slope. Zenwhat (talk) 02:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I feel things should be done for the right reason and a team of people sanatizing the AM article makes the article worthless. Admins were already involved, another, more experienced person worked on it to wiki-fy it more and when he was done, the information was deleted again. The same team deleted the article on 'roy gillaspie' down to one sentence because he is mentioned on AM's website.

The only way notability can work into this is to ask if it is worth it? For an article on George Bush or Albert Einstein, you sort of have to keep those to be considered legitimate but for arnold murray, once a team has been assigned to sanitize negative information, it is probably not worth using up the disk space. The article only becomes misleading and fairly worthless.

You wrote that the article was written to support one person's religious beliefs. That is not true. The article was written a long time ago (years) and has gone back and forth from very negative and unsourced claims to reading like an advertisement. When the article got to some reasonable state, the sanatizing teams came through and wiped out all negative info and did the same with any articles pointed to by the AM article.Tss8071 (talk) 04:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above and others keep referring to one person's beliefs. The article had many contributors over a period of a year. However, there seems to be a team of people whose job it is to go through and sanitize any negative information about arnold murray. That is why the article should be deleted.

Their original claim was the sources were a fabrication to smear arnold murray. When the information was sourced and verified, they deleted it anyway.

If it is going to be deleted then do it for the right reason.

My vote is delete it because when these teams of people are done sanatizing the article is essentially worthless.Tss8071 (talk) 03:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Zenwhat. --Cheeser1 (talk) 05:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]