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I received a warning from Palestinian editors for editing the article "History of the name Palestine" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_name_Palestine After posting the section listed bellow I received this "official warning" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tritomex How I can protect my rights or contact the arbitration?

"==Etymology== The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from “Plesheth”, a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as “Philistine”. Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine’s invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities.The name of the Philistines in their own language is not known; however, the Bible also relates them as the people of "Kaftor" (כפתור in Hebrew, see for example the Book of Jeremiah Chapter 47, Verse 4). "Kaftor" is not of Hebrew or Semitic origin, which supports the possibility that this word is similar to the name they called themselves.^[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tritomex Thanks

The web-site for Hadashot Arkheologiyot – Excavations and Surveys in Israel, http://www.hadashot-esi.org.il, seem not to have been working for the last few days (It was ok up until a week ago). Does anyone know what has happend? Cheers, Huldra (talk)

I have noticed an odd tendency for pages about small farming villages depopulated in 1948 but that had two or 3 thousand years of history to be dominated by discussion of the late Ottoman era and depopulation event. For example, Magdala, home of Mary Magdalene. The page is actually named al-Majdal, Tiberias, and when I tried ot change the name to Magdala, I was reverted. Or Huqoq, another former village. The page is now entitled Yaquq and is dominated by odd green boxes emphasizing the depopulation event. In fact, the place is the site of an archeological dig more notable than the very minor late Ottoman village. Which name is to be preferred?WmTyndale (talk) 19:30, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest doing a requested move for the articles, but be warned that common sense and logic play little part in debates in this sphere of Wikipedia. Number 57 19:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is a syster project Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration where things like this are usually discussed. More input may be found there. --Frederico1234 (talk) 00:31, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See discussion here. The article has major problems that need to be remedied if the article is to stay featured. Otherwise I will send it to featured article reassessment. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:24, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm drafting a page for Nehemiah Levanon, since the current link redirects to Nativ. I'm working from the Hebrew article, which appears mostly to be based on the biography of him posted on his memorial site. I plan to find more sources, but I would love it if anyone could help with the cause. Thanks! --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 16:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tal committee (article) and Tal Law (redirects to Tal committee) need some attention. There's a huge political flap in progress, with over 600 news articles in Google News today, as the issue of drafting the ultra-orthodox into the IDF reaches a climax. I put a current event tag on the article, and listed some references in talk, but haven't made any substantive changes yet. Anyone want to?

The redirect is probably in the wrong direction now; the Tal Committee has been dissolved, but the Tal Law is still a big issue. Should that be reversed? --John Nagle (talk) 19:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I was actually surprised to see the article at the Tal Committee (which I didn't even know happened) - I've only ever heard of the Tal law. Number 57 10:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated Operation Wrath of God for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion regarding separate page for Death of Yasser Arafat. Thoughts are welcome. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As you know, I've talked with you about this on Arafat's page before, so I'll just quote my first statement and put it here as my opinion. "I propose that we wait a while, at least until the issue starts boiling down. This is for a few reasons. Firstly, WP:Recentism. Secondly, anything can happen. What I mean by that is no exhumation may occur and the whole issue will just quiet down in a month, which I believe is most likely to happen. Aides to Abbas and Abbas himself listed a few prerequisites before exhuming the body, such as sending a delegation to the Swiss lab, etc. In my opinion, he has more important work to get to and doesn't want to be embroiled in this whole controversy and have accusations flung at him, as many interprted Al Jazeera's story to be aimed at P.A. political rivals of Arafat. Of course, I could be wrong, and the body could be exhumed and investigated. On the other hand, more analysts may come out and agree with the assessment that the polonium levels were way too high to have been planted 8 years ago, and should've decreased by a factor of over 1 million and be nearly microscopic today, which could also cause the issue to quiet down quickly. In fact, the past day the issue appeared in the news much less than usual, with the only major story about it that Abbas wanted a joint international probe. So I recommend just waiting a bit and seeing what happens, and if need be, we can merge the information into a new article and add more information. That certainly wouldn't be an issue. If most people want to create a new article and one is created, I wouldn't have an issue and woudl be willing to contribute information." --Activism1234 01:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to work with some other people (a minimum of one) on creating a page for Lee Zeitouni. She was brought up in the media recently again. We don't necessarily have to work together, just each person will contribute to the article so it makes it easier than having one person create an article from scratch. Let me know if anyone is interested. It should take approximately 1-2 days. --Activism1234 01:05, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: I created the page. You can find it here. Anyone who would like to add more info or edit it is encouraged to do so.--Activism1234 03:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly do I join? Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome. You can add yourself to here Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel/Participants but many contribute without actually identifying themselves. --Shuki (talk) 08:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This section, which used to appear in the article Wars involving Israel for quite a long while, has recently been removed repeatedly by the users DePiep and Sean.hoyland whom claim that it should be removed because it is Original Research. Do you think it should be included? If so, please help improve the content of that section (proofreading + adding more reliable sources). TheCuriousGnome (talk) 14:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The section strikes me as fair, but if there are no sources then it's a problem if some editors disagree with the content. Martin van Creveld's The Sword and the Olive might back up the facts in the section, but I don't have a digital copy and don't remember where to look. If you find a digital copy I'll be happy to at least try to find relevant passages there. Otherwise we can use more generic sources, but it's hard for me to say which as most of my sources are very specific and I have very few generic ones. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The users who removed it are legitimate in removing it, as it's uncited. Therefore, I propose that we work here to add references to it and then put it back in.

Ynhockey, here http://books.google.com/books?id=baa0OKb51rIC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=falseis a digital copy of the book. --Activism1234 16:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As this only concerns a single article, the article talk page is probably the best place for continued discussion. --Frederico1234 (talk) 04:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Activism1234: the book doesn't seem to have either a full or partial preview. If you have a copy I believe you can legally send me one since I own the book, so feel free to do so by email :) —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:00, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ynhockey, can you please clarify? If you click on the link I gave, it will take you to the book, and you'll be able to read most of it. A few pages are left out. There's also a search tool on the left side that will take you to specific pages. If you remind me in about 10 hours, I can look at what was removed and add in refs from the book where appropriate. --Activism1234 13:14, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment, everyone. Futurist110 (talk) 06:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Futurist110,

The maps are nice and cover an important subject. However, a few comments: the first map's legend is completely broken, it doesn't display the stats and the squares aren't aligned correctly. This might be an export issue with your vector graphics software, but without fixing this it's very hard to read the map.

Regarding the second map, it looks good but the data is unlikely and you should try to provide a source for it. It's also unclear why the year that this map was based on was picked, and whether it's related to the data; were there really over 50,000 olim from Ethiopia prior to 1959?

Overall these maps have great potential to be used in articles, hopefully you can address the issues above.

Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:05, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am aware that the legend for the first map doesn't work. I tried fixing it but for some reason my graphics software doesn't display the text. In regards to the second map, the data is 100% accurate. The reason I used the 1959 map as a source rather than the modern map is because Israel apparently doesn't list aliyah statistics by each Soviet country, and thus rather than use a modern map and erase all the Soviet country borders (which is very time-consuming and annoying), I just used an old map where the U.S.S.R. was displayed. If you notice, I combined Egypt and Sudan as well, as well as India and Pakistan, since Israel doesn't have separate aliyah data for those countries. The aliyah numbers are for 1882-2010 for each country, or for the earliest available year (1919, 1948) if there is no data for 1882. Yes, there were over 50,000 olim (to be more accurate, 86 thousand olim) from Ethiopia between 1948 and 2010 (Ethiopia does not have aliyah data for before 1948).

For the record, I put a legend on the description part of both maps.

Anyway, thank you very much for the compliments. Futurist110 (talk) 16:47, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I created another useful map yesterday.

Futurist110 (talk) 19:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In both cases you should list on the image description page where you got the data from and include information about the exact meaning of the data as you have described above. That will make the images much more useful. Zero^talk 00:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a curious side question... What program(s) do you use to create these maps? --Activism1234 01:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I used Inkscape to create these maps. As for the sources, I put some of the sources on the Wikipedia pages that these images are located on. Futurist110 (talk) 07:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the maps from the articles they're used on. Two of them have unnecessary whitespace, none of them has a key, and the third one has a huge amount of OR in the caption. Number 57 08:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it would have been much better to improve my maps and captions rather than to simply remove them. I'm new at using Inkscape, so I might have made some technical mistakes, but they're still good, accurate, reliable maps. Futurist110 (talk) 03:39, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We can't have incomprehensible material cluttering up the article. It's no commentary on you; it just does't rise to the quality standards to which we need to adhere. Being intimately familiar with Inkscape, I suspect you're most likely using the "Save" function rather than "Export". I could be wrong, but you might want to try that and see if it helps (make sure you have all the image elements selected before exporting, as well). Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 03:51, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Futurist, unfortunately there are too many flaws in your maps to use them at this point, aside from technical glitches. For instance, if the Aliyah data is from 1882–2010, then you shouldn't use a 1959 map, or if you do you should make it clear on the file page (or on the map itself) what years the data covers and why the map isn't "realistic". Moreover, as Zero0000 said, you need to provide sources for the information on your map, otherwise it's difficult to verify. Hopefully you address all the issues raised here so that your maps can be used in the future. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have now fixed the Holocaust death toll % map and provided sources for it. I will fix the other two maps later. Futurist110 (talk) 23:18, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have now fixed the European Jewish % population change between 1945/1946 and 2010 map. Futurist110 (talk) 00:11, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have now fixed the historical Aliyah map as well. As for why I chose the 1959 map, again, it's because there is no separate aliyah data available for the Soviet republics or for India, Pakistan, Egypt, and Sudan. Futurist110 (talk) 20:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have now created three more useful maps. Futurist110 (talk) 07:06, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A few comments:

1. The key for these maps needs making properly, rather than imposing text on the maps.
2. The numerical divisions seem random and are not consistent (I'd expect 0-20, 20-40, 40-60 etc)
3. The phrasing in the caption of the third map "As evidenced by this map" needs to be deleted immediately as is a violation of WP:OR. Number 57 08:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
4. The second map needs the grey "no data available" to be added to the key, as there's clearly been immigration from Australia and some other countries not coloured. Number 57 08:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let me respond to each of these:

1. Why does it need to be made properly? What's wrong with the way that I did it?
2. I can fix that.
3. I already fixed that right now.
4. The grey does not mean "no data available" for the aliyah map. If you'd look at my scale (on the map itself), the gray means 0 to 9,999. Futurist110 (talk) 21:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone review the article 2012 Egyptian-Israeli border attack and see whether it should be upgraded to a B article? I feel it should. The article is highly detailed, well formatted, a great infobox complete with a map and tons of references, easy to navigate, and has important information.

Thanks.

--Activism1234 04:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to be looking good, but I don't know how to upgrade articles or what a B article requires, and thus am unfortunately unable to help you out on this. Futurist110 (talk) 00:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's ok. I decided to seek "Good article" status for it, instead of B status. You can see that here. Anyone who hasn't expanded or nominated the article is allowed to review it on the nominations page I linked to, in accordance with good article criteria (although they should know more about that first). Waiting for someone to start it. --Activism1234 00:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please share your knowledge on the matter in the AfD which is currently taking place. Thank you. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:45, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion on the Beitar Illit about the removal of part of a generic text which is sourced to general sources, not specific to Beitar Illit. Please weigh in. Debresser (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is about the templates in Category:Israel_regional_council_templates. I put a couple of these on my user page to remind me of things I wanted to work on later. Today I noticed that they were making my user page show up in the associated categories for the regional councils (Category:Mateh Binyamin Regional Council and Category:Gush Etzion Regional Council to be specific). Looking at the source of the templates, Template:Mateh Binyamin Regional Council and Template:Gush Etzion Regional Council I saw that the categories that the templates were in weren't included inside the noinclude tags. This has the effect of including any article that the template is transcluded in in the associated category, which is nice, but according to the documentation at Help:Template#Documentation_and_categories it's discouraged for inclusion into content categories. I suppose it's discouraged because if the template is used anywhere outside of article space the content categories end up with a lot of stuff in them that shouldn't be there (like my user page, e.g.). I changed the two templates mentioned above so that the content categories were inside the noinclude tags, but this had the unfortunate side effect of removing all the entries from their content categories. I went through every page in the two templates and put in the appropriate content category by hand, but I don't have the will to do it for the others. It seems as if it'd be something a bot could do, but I have no idea who to ask or how to do that. Thus I figured I'd ask here, since all the templates are of interest to this WikiProject. Cheers!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:40, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to put a template like this on your user page, substitute it there (i.e. {{subst:Gush Etzion Regional Council}}) - that way your userpage won't appear in any categories. Number 57 08:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion taking place on Talk:Jerusalem about fundamental changes to the introduction of the article. People are encouraged to take part. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 10:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]