User talk:Errabee: Difference between revisions

About the Russia WikiProject "WikiProject Russia, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to articles on Russia on Wikipedia.". Doesn't really fit it as it basicly has nothing do with Russia (or Soviet Union that matter). It's already part of Russian military project (due to the few russian troops). I don't want any fight, but well, seeing a Russian flag first in the talk page (as well it's the biggest template) makes me confused, Russia? Also, it's in category russia (after many many other categories inside them), due to the fact it can be classified as part of Russian Revolution (or what you want to call it, bolshevik revolution), but isn't part of any Russian conflict itself. --Pudeo (Talk) 20:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It hasn't really anything do with Russia. It is part of the Revolution of the (bolsheviks) Russian state (not in the context russian revolution) Anyway, I question your motives. You want only FAs for projects you are an active member and therefore "advance" the project. I don't see any reason why it would be on the scope of the WPRussia, maybe in the scope of Russian/Soviet Military project (which it is) because of the 4,000-10,000 volunteers. I don't want any edit war but I can't really agree on an issue I don't. PS. I am not just any user browsing the article, I contributed to it and nominated it for FA. I hope you understand. --Pudeo (Talk) 17:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What? Illumeen (including his various) IPs built the whole article. He is a mature, expert user. A true expert on the topic (he has written almost the whole article, incredible amount of work in the citations also). I was asking his opinion about it being called Russian topic. I am not part of any projects expect the History project. I browsed Russian categories, and even some articles which clearly are about Russia, and only about Russia do not have the tag. So doesn't it seem bit weird to pick enthusiasticly FAs and increase the count.. You yet fail to say, or even comment, why it is a Russian topic. --Pudeo (Talk) 17:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I only added the russian revolution category 4 years after the article was created; it was already FA. It should not be in the category of Russia, but in Russian Revolution (or its contemporary events). Still, I see no reason why it should be in project Russia. It did fine before you added the template. I don't think the topic is important enough to be included in those releases anyway, so atleast I don't have any interests in it. Isn't it a duplicate project also? Since it is Soviet/Russian military project, and should not be any other because isn't related any other way. Sure this is getting boring and so on.. but what you can do when neither do agree. I also inform you that I will continue my revert on the issue aslong I have the right to rightfully do so.--Pudeo (Talk) 18:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, what a mess. Some thoughts, in no particular order:

• The conventional practice has generally been to allow WikiProjects to tag articles that they consider to be in their scope without interference. I am distressed to see WikiProject banners being removed so tenaciously; there isn't really anything bad about having them there.
• Editors conversing in Finnish are being extremely impolite and needlessly inflammatory; we've had too many similar situations in the Russo-Polish arena for anyone to still think that this is a good idea.
• There needs to be some sort of understanding reached between WikiProject Russia and WikiProject History Russian History, since a lot of tagging will be redundant between the two. My own suggestion would be to turn the latter into a task force of the former, but it's not really my place to decide what actually happens. (It would be nice if the noticeboard could be absorbed into the WikiProject as well, incidentally.)
• Your banner is rather large; I would look at reducing the amount of text there. Does it support the small-form option, incidentally?

Kirill Lokshin 00:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:FA-Class Russia articles. So Russia related topic, really fits in there. Errabee, I guess you aren't really familiar with the topic? Finland was an independent country, NOT part of Russia. The conflict started after the possibilities of Bolshevik Revolution and their support. Russia article, yeah... PS. As you see from Illumeen's page, that long discussion wasn't about you. We discussed improving the article in Finnish (what we can do best), as you should see from the dates of the signatures there.. Only one line was about your rather offensive comment that I am making a lame edit war and I am playing nationalistic games. Illumeen did not comment that. Again THIS IS NOT ABOUT RUSSIA, please understand. I didn't care that much at first, but after your comment (that I found offensive) I decided keep my valid point. --Pudeo (Talk) 10:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I guess I can accept it now. But when we're talking about Battle of Austerlitz, doesn't Russian military history project describe it best? As in this context too. Russia Project is just so broad for it; it should be only used for Russia geography and similiar things, the Russian history seems to be different also. I am not saying this as an argument again, but to ask about the usage of the project: why sister projects exist then? And yeah, about the templates. Those are big, we could add a German, Finnish, Swedish, World War II etc templates also, since all contributed troops. But still, WikiProject Sweden would be very broad to describe 550 volunteers.--Pudeo (Talk) 13:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It should be pretty easy to add, since you only need a few lines of code; see WP:TPT for what's needed to enable it. Kirill Lokshin 23:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good, and I put the small option to the template. (See Finnish Civil War talk page). It seems it works, though I thought it doesn't because the text differs from the big version. But that's just better, I guess. And sorry for the earlier. --Pudeo (Talk) 16:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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