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Thank you, I have posted a question on your talk page Aidayoung (talk) 15:31, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I checked your draft, made a few edits, and moved it live: Weixin Shengjiao. It would be eligible - as a substantive and well-sourced new article - to appear on the main page in the WP:DYK section. If you're interested, pick one or two short and interesting facts to suggest as a "hook" and I'll help you submit it. Fences&Windows 18:32, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, very useful work, and please explain how you managed to put the image in the center. Weixin Shengjiao is one among several religious movements that in my personal opinion are under-represented in Wikipedia - this is the reason I also made some edit to the page about Gang Il-sun, whose posterity is extremely complicated (around one hundred religious movements derived from him) but, by the estimate of leading scholar of Korean religion Donald Baker, today may well have some ten million followers when you add up the various movements. What I mean is Gang Il-sun is an important character and deserved a more detailed entry. It is of course not Wikipedia's but our fault as religious scholars. For many years, both I and others found writing in Wikipedia difficult - and it doesn't go in the list of publications for academic advancement... As evidence of our Wiki-ignorance, I never heard before of WP:DYK. I believe the "hooks" can be that "a Taiwanese religious movement teaching I Ching and Feng Shui gathered from 1984 to 2016 some 300,000 followers" (I prefer to stay with the conservative estimate) and "ceremonies honoring the ancestors in Taiwan organized by the religious movement Weixin Shengjiao attract every year on January 1 more than 30,000, including the island's top political authorities." Best regards and thank you again

Aidayoung (talk) 19:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aida, conversations can go back and forth or stay on one page, there's no fixed rules. To "ping" a user you're talking to or about you just put their name in wiki format - [[User:Aidayoung|Aidayoung]] - so it appears as Aidayoung. To thread conversations, you use colons - : - at the start of the line to indent the comment. The first comment has none, the second one, the third two etc.

To fix the image I made this edit. I changed the markup from:

| image = [[File:Hsien Fo Temple, Taiwan.jpg|thumb|Hsien Fo Temple, Taiwan]]

to

| image = [[File:Hsien Fo Temple, Taiwan.jpg|200px]]

| caption = Hsien Fo Temple, Taiwan

In that edit I also bolded the name of the page at first mention in the lead by putting three ' either side of it.

I agree Gang Il-sun is an important figure. A limitation for such topics is often free online sources in English, so scholars who have access to offline or paywalled sources and/or can read another language are very helpful in improving articles! You might be interested in joining Wikiproject Religion. I'll submit those hooks to the DYK page and see if they accept the entry - I hope so! I had two thoughts about the article: 1. Has the religion received any criticism or commentary? How outsiders perceive it would be useful to know; 2. Is there an official English translation (vs transliteration) of the name? Google Translate says "idealistic holy church"

About Daesun Jinrihoe, the first version was written by me from Sept-Nov 2010 and I'm a native English speaker! The sources are probably somewhat out of date now as you suggest. The article has since been edited by others who appear to be followers of the religion and non-native English speakers, which probably shows now. I've tried to keep in critical content and not allow the page to be whitewashed and written from the point of view of devotees. Fences&Windows 20:30, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Fences and windows, I will work on Daesun Jinrihoe as soon as possible. Yes, the page shows different hands. I believe criticism should of course be kept but Jorgensen wrote his article sixteen years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the fights between the two factions, which generated a lot of hostile attention in the Korean media. The problems have not been completely eliminated, but a Council held in Yeoju in 2013 allowed the two factions to coexist more or least peacefully. DJ also tried to address the other criticism that surfaced in the media and I would say its public image is better than in 2001. Answering your questions on Weixin Shengjiao, I have mentioned in the entry that it translates "Sacred Teachings of the Mind Only." The problem however is that the Chinese notion of "mind" is not equivalent to the Western one. As far as I know, as it has received very little scholarly attention (in addition to what I quoted there are only three unpublished conference papers), WS has also eluded the radars of critics of fringe religions. Did you write the article on Daejongism as well? If yes, what is a deliberate decision to exclude the controversial matter of the relationship between Daejongism and Dahn Yoga, the organization of Ilchi Lee?Aidayoung (talk) 18:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC) Fences and windows, I have finally worked on Daesun Jinrihoe. I have reorganized, updated, and expanded the entry, and restored the parts on "criticism" that had been deleted (presumably by members of the movement) but, when updated, are informative. I have maintained where consistent with the reorganization the previous material, and have included missing page numbers in already existing references.Aidayoung (talk) 13:38, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated the page at Template:Did you know nominations/Weixin Shengjiao. There may be a long wait until we hear. Fences&Windows 21:32, 20 February 2017 (UTC) Many thanksAidayoung (talk) 21:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's now on the main page and rated C-class. Congratulations on writing an effective article! You can see how it appeared via https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know&oldid=770595506. Fences&Windows 12:17, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fences and windows Thank you very much for the nominationAidayoung (talk) 08:01, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I moved the page Weixin Shengjiao → Weixinism per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH since "Weixinism" is the name they employ on their official websites for presenting themselves to Western audience.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 23:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And thank you for having written the article! It is an important addition to the picture of Chinese religiosity.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 23:32, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aethelwolf Emsworth thank you. However in the recent books they published in English they use only "Weixin Shengjiao". I wrote a mail to them in Taiwanand here is the answer: " About "Weixinism", it was a translation before 2010 at a time when we declared ourself as a denomination called "Weixinzong". But there were many people get confused and see us as the branch sect of Buddhism ("zong"宗 means a branch) so we announced that we are an independent new religion called Weixin Shengjiao ("Shengjiao" 聖教 means holy teaching, also a religion). After 2010 our official publications no longer use "Weixinism" or "Weixinzong."" Unfortunately, I do not know how to change the title of the page but recommend you simply eliminate your changes. Also, in all the most recent books of the movement mentioned in the bibliography "Weixin Shengjiao" is translated as "Sacred Teachings of the Mind Only". Please also correct back the French, I believe you can do this by simply eliminating your changes. Thank you, AidaAidayoung (talk) 21:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Aida. They clearly referred to their official name in Chinese, Weixin Shengjiao instead of Weixinzong (Weixin Tradition), not to the English translation. Besides, zong, "tradition", is not generally translated as "ism", while jiao is. The current official name of the church is Weixin Shengjiao, for short Weixinjiao, and "Weixinism" in English. They consistently publish under the name "Weixinism" through their English-laguage official websites and English-language media. See the English pages of Hun Yuan's website, the official website of their Global Info Centre ("Weixinism Zen-Ji Mountain Global Information Center), their YT news channels and their official YT channel. This establishes "Weixinism" as WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aethelwolf Emsworth This is an interesting question. In the US, they use the name Weixin Shengjiao. They do not have a Web page but this is the name written outside their Flushing Headquarters in New York, where I am conducting my research. The main book they use for introducing themselves in English and give to interested English-speaking parties, i.e."The New Religion of the World Taiwan Weixin Shengjiao," never uses "Weixinism," and, from the title on, consistently refers to "Weixin Shengjiao." The existing (and admittedly scarce) recent academic scholarship in English, by both Taiwanese (Chang) and Western scholars, uses "Weixin Shengjiao " or "Weixinshengjiao" and does not even mention "Weixinism." The authoritative online encyclopedia World Religions and Spiritualities Project at Virginia Commonwealth University also uses "Weixin Shengjiao" (no references to "Weixinisn" there either). On the other hand, you are right in raising the question of their Websites. I will ask them why exactly they keep the use of Weixinism there through my Taiwanese scholar contact and will come back to youAidayoung (talk) 22:04, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To me, it is not really a problematic issue. They simply use an alternation of English translations and original Chinese names, both of which carry the same meaning. They refer to the same thing by different names, and this is the standard in Chinese language (and not only Chinese). However, here on Wikipeda, per policies, English terms should be preferred in the title and body of the text.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 22:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For the sake of completeness, I have found a further one of their official websites, this one, whose copyright registration reads "Weixinism 2016 ©".--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 23:13, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I will ask them. You are a Sinologist and I am a religious studies scholar. My study is mostly of the movement in the West and their groups in US and Spain go under the name Weixin Shengjiao. But I do agree with you that they should clarify themselves the name issue as they expand internationally and perhaps amend their Web sites (as they seem to have amended their most recent English-language literature. (talk)Aidayoung (talk) 04:10, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aethelwolf Emsworth On Weixinism I agree we should leave the title as it is until they clarify why their Web sites are not consistent with their printed matter. I have another question. You changed the translation 八卦 from "Eight Trigrams" to "Eight Symbols." It is certainly a more literal translation but, when talking about I Ching, one normally speaks of "trigrams." It is a minor point, just curious to understand the reasons of the change.Aidayoung (talk) 20:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Aethelwolf Emsworth and User:Fences and windows since you helped edit Weixinism/Weixin Shengjiao you may want to have a look at the new page I created on the founder of Weixinism, Grand Master Hun Yuan. User: Fences and windows, I am still working on Daesun Jinrihoe and will later edit the page. Aidayoung (talk) 16:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have two issues:

1. Did you take the photo at File:Hun Yuan.jpg? This looks professional and would mean you met Hua Yuan. If you did take it, you need to declare your association. If you did not, the license for the image is incorrect. See WP:COPYRIGHT for more information. You did not paint File:Stable Nation of the Golden Dragon.jpg so that license is wrong. See WP:NONFREE for guidance on whether this image can be included in the article. Both images may need to be deleted from Wikimedia Commons.
2. Some of the wording is too glowing, see WP:PEACOCK. Please tone down the praise and make clear when information is only sourced to Yuan or his religion and not independently verified. See the advice at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. The article reads as a hagiography at the moment. Fences&Windows 08:25, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fences and windows Thank you for your advise. I am "associated" with Weixin Shengjiao in the same way I am associated with dozen religious movements (and artists, as I also study religious art) I have studied or am currently studying. I did interview Hun Yuan as I interviewed several other religious leaders and artists throughout the world, as well as opponents of religious leaders, critics of religion, etc. I believe this is a common situation for scholars of religion (and art). This obviously does not make us non-neutral. I personally took the pictures others than Huan Yuan.jpg while studying Weixin Shengjiao in Taiwan. I got permission to use Hun Yuan.jpg for an article I am working at, but I see I uploaded it incorrectly as my own work. I will try to determine what permission I would need to upload or simply change the picture with one I took.Aidayoung (talk) 14:18, 8 March 2017 (UTC) User:Fences and windows I just changed image Hun Yuan.jpg to Hun Yuan 2.jpg. I took Hun Yuan 2.jpg during my fieldwork in Taiwan. On further consideration, I agreed that the picture was taken by a professional photographer and we can run into copyright problems. I am not an administrator and cannot delete Hun Yuan.jpg from Wikicommons but please do it and thank you in advance for your cooperation. I also deleted the reference to File:Stable Nation of the Golden Dragon.jpg from the article. Please also delete it from Wikicommons. Perhaps in the future the copyright owners can upload themselves some of these pictures to WikicommonsAidayoung (talk) 14:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC) User:Fences and windows Finally, I edited the articles placing sentences such as "According to the movement" or similar where claims come from literature produced by Weixin Shengjiao itself rather than peer-reviewed academic sources. Notwithstanding this, I have also "toned down" certain sentences as you recommendedAidayoung (talk) 14:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC) User:Fences and windows if you have five minutes to spare, please also have a look at my edits in the entries on Diego Rivera and AMORC. I did take a picture of Diego Rivera's Quetzalcoatl but obviously the rights belong to Rivera's heirs, and I did not upload it. Please check that I phrased the sentences correctly.Aidayoung (talk) 15:45, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I like the replacement picture! It's great to see him in the middle of a ceremony. I've tagged the two images on Commons, easy mistake to make. The rules on what images are allowed can be confusing. Thanks for making the textual tweaks. I'll look at the other articles tomorrow. Fences&Windows 22:00, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fences and windows Thank you. I believe the "Dragon" image was useful for explaining the painting style, and I wrote to Weixin Shengjiao seeking authorization from the Grand Master/painter. Let'see whether they would answerAidayoung (talk) 23:38, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You may be able to upload the painting onto Wikipedia rather than Commons - Commons takes only free license images, i.e. public domain or Creative Commons license. This is the policy for use of non-free images on Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. If the article includes commentary on the image, fair use is easier to demonstrate. To see an example, I included sone non-free images in Story of Marie and Julien. Fences&Windows 08:04, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fences and windows this looks interesting and I confess I had never heard of it: but where do I exactly upload the picture onto Wikipedia? Is there a guide or Wizard? BestAidayoung (talk) 19:35, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. Fences&Windows 19:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I like your edits about Rivera and AMORC, quite amusing. Fences&Windows 22:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fences and windows Done, using the Wizard, thank you very muchAidayoung (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC) User:Fences and windows Thank you very much for the nominationAidayoung (talk) 08:00, 18 March 2017 (UTC) User:Fences and windows I have re-uploaded the deleted Dragon image to Wikicommons since the movement finally answered and claimed Hun Yuan will send the email authorizing this soon and are happy to make it available to everybodyAidayoung (talk) 10:22, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On 16 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Weixinism, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a Taiwanese religious movement teaching feng shui and I Ching since 1984 now has around 300,000 members? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Weixinism), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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I don't know if it is a "blatant copyright violation". I took the picture myself with an iPhone at the Korean headquarters of Victory Altar. The poster is obviously copyrightable but I took an angle of the entrance displaying the poster. I am seeking your kind guidance: I have updated again the image as Wikipedia rather than Wikicommons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Messia_Cho.jpg) and I believe that it serves the purpose of illustrating important points of the article and its use would be fair use, but would not put it back in the article until I hear from you. I can also require authorization from the Victory Altar, if you kindly explain to me which form the authorization should have. Thank you in advance Aidayoung (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry for all the disruption, aspersions and harassment you've received by actual sockpuppets (such irony; they are blocked now). I've closed the deletion discussion, and I hope you continue to enjoy editing Wikipedia :-) wumbolo ^^^ 08:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC) Thank you very much. My field of study is by its nature very contentious. There are some who believe that those they regard as disseminating unorthodox teachings should be "punished" by cancelling articles about them in Wikipedia. I think that they would offer a much more positive contribution by editing the articles and include reference to critical literature (where it exists).Aidayoung (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC) What the heck is going on again? Aidayoung (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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