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Hi Darouet, welcome to Wikipedia! -Thucydides411 (talk) 02:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DRN notice

There is a discussion involving you at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 14:11, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request by EricHaim

Hi Darouet, I would like to discuss your removal of the edits I made to the page "National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012." I agree that the edit lacks citations which I am happy to add. There are only two that are critcal, (1) the text of the law itself and (2) the text of the Authorization for Use of Force on which it is predicated. My edit is almost purely factual and my other comments, such as noting that certain important terms are undefined and some potential implications are worded in a manner so as to intentionally not slant the edits towards my point of view which is critical of much of Sub-section D. I can try again and weave parts of what you put back into the edits, add cites, etc. However, the text you put does not appear to be accurate in critical respects. If I am wrong, I welcome being enlightened about. The text as it now stands includes in the overview the following: "the Act legislatively codifies[6] the President's authority to indefinitely detain terrorism suspects, including American citizens, without trial as defined in Title X, Subtitle D, SEC 1021(a-e) of the bill.[7] Because those who may be held indefinitely include U.S. citizens arrested on American soil, and because that detention may be by the military, the Act has received critical attention by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and media sources.[8][9][10][11][12]" Most important, where in the Act does it provide for the indefinite detention of American citizens? How can the statement that it does be reconciled with the 1021(e) which provides that “[n]othing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.” There are other points we can discuss. I note that there are extensive quotations and references to the actual provisions of the Act in my edits, whereas what you put back uses loose language like "terrorism suspects" which does not appear in the law or accurately summarize any of its provisions. The edited version while it certainly can be improved does not contain any inaccuracies that I am aware of and is therefore a significant improvement over what you put back which contains demonstrable inaccuracies. I would like to try to collaborate with you on improving this page if you are interested. Your gratuitous comment that I turned the article into a "sounding board for the State Department" is troubling and makes me question your objectivity and attitude. I only contributed to this article because I believe it is important that people have access to accurate information about legal provisions that threaten fundamental rights. Your statement about the State Department is tendentious and at least a little bizzare. Please respond. Erichaim (talk) 18:57, 31 December 2011 (UTC)). EricHaim.[reply]

Hi Erichaim; thanks for your note. Please make a new heading in the talk pages of the NDAA 2012 article and write, or paste what you've written above, into that section so that we can discuss your proposed edits with other editors. Briefly, a good deal of your concerns above are explicitly addressed in the references provided in the article itself. Nevertheless I think you are correct in some of your points (e.g. 1021.e) and I look forward to your contributions to the article. -Darouet (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Darouet - thank you for your response. I am a new contributor and don't know many editing features and tools yet. Can you tell me how to make a new heading once I am on the appropriate talk page? With that info, I will do as you suggest. I think the most helpful thing I can do at this point is to also review the existing page and post on the talk page the specific propositions which I believe to be innacurate with explanations and citations that interested editors can review, and also post revised versions of proposed changes to page on the talk page so we can take into account responses to all of that before any further edits are made using the material I am generating. This is a very important topic and it is important that we get it right. As the creator of the page, I definitely would like to work with you to make it an accurate and informative page. I do have some specialized qualifications in this area. I am a practicing lawyer and independent legal scholar and have a J.D. and a Ph.D. in Jurisprudence and Social Policy, both from the University of California at Berkeley. I have been a serious student of Constitutional law, history and theory for over thirty years. If it might be helpful, I would be happy to provide my e-mail address, which I think is available on the site (though I am not sure as I am a newbie) so we can confer directly about any issues we might wish to discuss. Thanks for creating this page. erichaim (Erichaim (talk) 00:47, 1 January 2012 (UTC)). P.S. figured out re header. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erichaim (talkcontribs) 19:06, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

archived discussion, original research and synth

Hi - please don't replace all stale over three months discussion. What benefit do youy see in replacing discussions over three months old that you have no intention of further contributing to ? If there is something you specially want to reopen then start a new discussion and link to it. Thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 17:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've returned only those discussions that were active as of the past month. -Darouet (talk) 19:41, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - this cite does not mention Hoare - http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16032138 - and can you please provide an online link to this article Lewis, Paul, "The Guardian," 19 July 2011. or some more details about it. Thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 20:05, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quadrilateral Security Dialogue and review

I mainly rated in C because I wasn't sure that I had the expertise to determine whether it covered all angles and because the lead might be regarded as short. I have now reconsidered and rerated it B for WPA.--Grahame (talk) 00:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I answered you inquiry about the Dialog belonging in MILHIST. I personally disagree with the article being covered in MILHIST but laissez faire. You need and infobox similar to NATO or even simplified such as Lithuanian–Polish–Ukrainian Brigade. To progress the article further I would suggest at least getting a map with the associated nations highlight in green. Much Ado, --MOLEY (talk) 22:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quadrilateral Security Dialogue looks better - the introduction is call the lead on Wikipedia - please see WP:LEAD. It does not need references as it is supposed to be a summary of the whole article (so the refs are in the body of the article). I would look at WP:LEAD as I think the current lead could be expanded to be a better summary. My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way.

I would also look at WP:HEAD as the headers should follow that. Hope this helps and thanks for your work, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:08, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


HI, thanks for the note on my talk page. The article looks interesting and it's something I might want to work on. I'm on a wikibreak at the moment and only editing sporadically, but will definitely put it on my watch list and read through the page. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! It would be great to work with you. I'm on a wikibreak of sorts as well, busy with "real" work. But when I come around to working on the Italian Dialogues I'll let you know! -Darouet (talk) 18:09, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Quadrilateral Security Dialogue

Hi Darouet, I'm happy to participate in a review process, though my knowledge of Chinese security issues is not as sound as it should be. Is there anything in particular that requires feedback? Also, could you advise on a timeline, if you have one in mind? Homunculus (duihua) 02:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not the best person to ask to provide the Chinese perspective. I'm capable of doing Chinese-language research, but I can't say I revel in it. I'll aim to provide some more general comments sometime this week.Homunculus (duihua) 22:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, sorry for dropping the ball on this. On a deadline in the real world. Will return to it soon. Homunculus (duihua) 19:45, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Myself and several other editors have been trying to piece together the article on Bo Xilai, the Chongqing party chief who recently got dismissed and caused one of the most dramatic 'showdowns' in Chinese politics in recent memory. Would you be so kind as to return the favour and review the article? :) Colipon+(Talk) 03:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Your Abu Qatada edit

Quite right. Thank you, appreciated.

@Truthkeeper above. Surprised to find you here. Any chance of you losing that '88' at the end of your monniker? We could love you loads and loads more if you do :). 216.166.10.195 (talk) 18:42, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is super trivial, more a clarification. I dequoted and chopped out the mention of the BBC, since it would be clear from the reference, in order to perform a minor space-saver. Either way, the 'weasel words' are still present, only now quoted and the source cited in the text. Is that standard in Wikipedia, as your edit comment suggested, when weasels 'cannot' be avoided? Best etc. ~ Iloveandrea (talk) 08:14, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help with NDAA 2012 request

Hi Darouet,

I noticed you have been helping with the NDAA article. I wonder if you could take a look at this. I added the Administration's response to the Hedges lawsuit and subsequent blockage of indefinite detention by Judge Forrest. I used direct quotes from the official response. My edits were replaced by someone's interpretation of the response, without any ref source, so I am left to assume this is someone's personal interpretation. That doesn't seem to be in alignment with how Wikipedia works, though I haven't much experience here. I added a citation needed tag, but it seems like the statement needs to be removed altogether. Thank you for your help, in advance. petrarchan47Tc 21:40, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. I completely understand your request. However, I don't think I am well versed enough in Wikipedia and with legal cases in general to take this on. The NDAA 2012 has been a real challenge to understand, even for those with law degrees. That seems intentional. The Admin's response to Forrest has not been reviewed by any reputable secondary source. Perhaps it's best to wait until media catches up with this story, and go from there. At some point in the near future, I will certainly move the bulk of the Forrest case to the body of the article. Thanks again for your help.petrarchan47Tc 22:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Scratch that. I went ahead and moved the section, removing the unsourced opinion.petrarchan47Tc 23:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NYT has covered Judge Forrest's block and subsequent actions by POTUS ~ thought you might appreciate [this brief overview]. petrarchan47Tc 21:32, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, thanks for the fascinating article: Charlie Savage has written consistently well on some of the legal aspects of the war on terror. I'll try to stay more in the loop on this. -Darouet (talk) 21:53, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You are most welcome. I know it's hard to keep up, if I come across other succinct articles to keep you updated, I'll go ahead and leave them here.petrarchan47Tc 22:15, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Disposition Matrix

Thank you for creating the Disposition Matrix article! I hope you will continue with your great work on it as more information becomes known. The User 567 (talk) 14:47, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Came here to say the same thing. Surprised that there wasn't an 'Obama kill list' article previously. Thank you! groupuscule (talk) 05:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks you both! And please feel free to contribute if you find interesting analysis online. -Darouet (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination for Disposition Matrix

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November 2012

Hello, I'm Gtwfan52. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Waco, Texas seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Wiki article states subject was legally hung. Whether it is an example of bigotry or not, it certainly wasn't a lynching. Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gtwfan52 for your polite note. Please realize that my edit conveyed the fact that Roy Mitchell was hanged, not lynched. I didn't confuse this fact and actually wrote the article on Mitchell. I apologize, however, for the poor wording on my part (I was trying to be concise). Also, I should have provided a source. Am rectifying my errors now. Cheers. -Darouet (talk) 20:46, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, thanks for writing the article on Mitchell. Very interesting to me since I worked on the Jesse Washington article. I've been meaning to sit down and take a look through it. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Duggan

Hi Darouet! Sorry I took a while to respond. I share your concerns with the introduction of the article subject's race in the first sentence. Although race is directly related to the notability of the subject, I prefer for that kind of detail to be later in the introductory paragraph. First sentences are definitional and I don't like to 'define' people by their race. To me it currently reads more like a newspaper article intro than an encyclopedia one. Here's a suggested change:

Mark Duggan, a 29 year-old Tottenham resident, was shot and killed by police in Tottenham, North East London, England on 4 August 2011. The Metropolitan Police stated that officers were attempting to arrest Duggan on suspicion of planning an attack, and that he was in possession of a handgun. Duggan died from a gunshot wound to the chest. Public protest broke out in Tottenham over the circumstances of his death, motivated by suspicions that Dugan--a black male--was targeted by the police because of his race. The protests escalated into widespread riots, looting and arson in London and elsewhere.

Maybe you could suggest that and get some feedback? I do think his race is relevant to his life and death, but perhaps mentioning it later in the introduction would settle some of your concerns. Cheers! Ocaasi t | c 14:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Disposition Matrix

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NDAA 2012, COI disclosure and talk page suggestions

Hi Darouet! There's been a lot of questioning regarding my role directing a COI representative to active talk page editors. In the case of NDAA 2012 the editor who fielded most of the talk page engagement was you. I want to point you to two discussions where this process has been called into question, and give you the opportunity to respond.

Best, Ocaasi t | c 17:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your detailed and honest response. My apologies if you felt in any way obliged to do something you had reservations about. I'm very glad we cleared that up and I'll work to prevent any ambiguity like that in future situations. Your feedback is welcome if you have ideas about how to make that more explicit or accessible. Ocaasi t | c 19:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, and thanks for notifying me. I think something that might help editors on a page, when you begin this process, is making even more clear that you and other editors will reject edit requests that are unreasonable according to wikipedia's core policies. You might furthermore make it clear that neither you nor other editors are obliged to represent the COI party's POV, and that their COI should be taken seriously. I know you're trying to make this process transparent and are therefore trying to make it appear less onerous or wholly unfavorable to the COI party, but that should come second to maintaining transparency on our end, in my opinion. I'll be interested to see how things turn out. -Darouet (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming the process is kept, of course. I understand (I think) and respect why OTRS for COI was established, but would also understand if the community decided against it in the end. -Darouet (talk) 22:01, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Would you review the language here and let me know what you think? Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 22:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I like it very much. You might consider swapping the first and second paragraphs in the first section, "Principle of Independence," while modifying both slightly: this places greater emphasis on the "conflict" aspect of COI, and sets a stringent tone. For better or worse, depending on your perspective. Also, the third paragraph in this section is a bit confusing because the word "requests," when it first appears, looks like it will be a verb for the subject "OTRS." -Darouet (talk) 22:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Paragraphs swapped, verb confusion fixed. Thanks! Ocaasi t | c 23:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Repetition

I am not sure that you have read the English Wikipedia article on Galileo. There is a reference to Bruno in the Timeline, under the year 1600. This reference has been there for a considerable time. The word "spectacular" is clearly a peacock word. You used this in an edit summary, not your actual edit. If you think anything is "spectacular", you are welcome to say so in your own web-site, not in Wikipedia. The word "spectacular" is stronger than many words already banned as peacock words, such as "genius". It will be interesting to see you prove that Copernicus and Aristarchus were not "spectacular". Your edits and edit summaries never refer to the theory of relativity, according to which heliocentrism and heliostaticism are meaningless or untrue. If you think Pythagoras, Philolaus and other ancients were not spectacular, give reasons for supposing so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ga78675645 (talkcontribs) 10:11, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks Ga78675645 for your explanation. I used the word "spectacular" in the edit summary, but not the article, because Bruno was publicly burned at the stake in a spectacle. I did see Bruno was mentioned in the timeline, but doesn't it seem as though mentioning him in the text will allow readers to explicitly see the link between them? Also, thanks for your comments on Pythagoras, Philolaus, Copernicus and Aristarchus. I agree that they are brilliant people, but in the future, I'll try to be sure nobody ever uses the word "spectacular" in their edit summaries of these articles. -Darouet (talk) 13:14, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please also never say "Jehovah". groupuscule (talk) 03:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Women in the Revolution

Thank you for this and surrounding edits. I often feel too dispirited by Wikipedia to step into thickets like that, but this clearly needed attention. You rescued the section quite nicely. Good job :) SteveStrummer (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Steve! I would love to spend more time on the article eventually: I plan on first completing an overhaul of the Robespierre article. In the mean time, I'm grateful for your contributions. Cheers, -Darouet (talk) 16:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ignoring edit conflicts

Dont do this. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that - Darouet (talk) 04:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please link to the specific discussion that you referenced in your edit summary? Victor Victoria (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, it can be found here. -Darouet (talk) 04:11, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq War

I would like to thank Darouet for returning the Iraq war article to a state of being a balanced fact-based article that is up to Wikipedia standards. It had become a one-sided opinion-based editorial that was far below Wikipedia standards. Truthwillneverdie (talk) 12:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to request you again help with returning the Iraq war article to a stable version as it is again being vandalized by CJK. Thank you. Truthwillneverdie (talk) 14:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Truthwillneverdie, CJK deserves research and response to his talk page explanations. I don't agree with him, but I won't (and shouldn't) revert his edits without working hard to explain why. -Darouet (talk) 06:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Darouet, I agree completely. I hope you may find time to chime in on the article's talk page, I think you could help bring about a more NPOV. -- Truthwillneverdie (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Lead

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Hi PLNR, thanks for your civil note. My addition of the UN's statement regarding a ceasefire, and my revert to return it following Sayerslle's deletion, did not violate the 1RR; nor did the deletion of additional material unnecessary to the lead constitute a revert. "Edit warring" doesn't necessarily refer to violations of 1RR or 3RR however, and so I appreciate your effort to resolve things on the talk page. -Darouet (talk) 16:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Ghouta poll

You are of course completely within your rights to stop discussing anything, but I am a little confused since you brought up the poll. What about the discussion is/was unproductive? Kind regards! VQuakr (talk) 04:55, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi VQuakr, thanks for your note. I brought up the poll because another user asked me to clarify. Editors on the Ghouta attacks talk page discussed all this ad infinitum previously, and as you know, these kinds of pages don't always bring the most pleasant interactions (despite the good intentions of many editors on all sides). So I'm a bit burnt out from the subject! -Darouet (talk) 14:50, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply and all your work on the Ghouta page. I agree that editing busy, contentious articles can be exhausting! I hope to see you around. Regards! VQuakr (talk) 16:29, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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New England Wikipedia Day @ MIT: Saturday Jan 18

NE Meetup #4: January 18 at MIT Building 5

Dear Fellow Wikimedian,

You have been invited to the New England Wikimedians 2014 kick-off party and Wikipedia Day Celebration at Building Five on the Massachusetts Institute of Technology campus on Saturday, January 18th, from 3-5 PM. Afterwards, we will be holding an informal dinner at a local restaurant. If you are curious to join us, please do so, as we are always looking for people to come and give their opinion! Finally, be sure to RSVP here if you're interested.

I hope to see you there! Kevin Rutherford (talk)

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Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, with the appropriate sections of Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures, and with the case decision page before making any further edits to the pages in question. This notice is given by an uninvolved administrator and will be logged on the case decision, pursuant to the conditions of the Arbitration Committee's discretionary sanctions system. 

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