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Hi JaGa,

I have put links from Ramana Maharshi page and Nome, Spiritual Teacher page to A.R. Natrajan's page. Do we need more links so that we can remove the orphan tag from A.R. Natarajan page? Thank you for your help.

Sincerely, Rmuthukrishnan (talk)RMuthukrishnan

Hi Rmuthukrishnan, thanks for the kind note! I had to fix the links on Ramana Maharshi and Nome, Spiritual Teacher - to count, it has to be a Wikipedia link, not an external link. (If you look at "What links here" for A.R. Natarajan, you'll now see Ramana Maharshi and Nome, Spiritual Teacher). You may want to check out the orphanage for guidance on de-orphaning. Technically, the article is still an orphan since it only has links from two articles (the disambig doesn't count), but I went ahead and removed the template. --JaGa^talk 21:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much JaGa. I will look into making sure the article qualifies for de-orphaning. Rmuthukrishnan (talk)Rmuthukrishnan —Preceding undated comment was added at 06:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Hi

I just wanted to point out that there is already an article on Air Vice Marshal (Retd) AK Khandker. You may wish to update that article.

I would also like to point out that his surname is misspelt on Wikipedia. It is actually Khandker.

Thank you RR79 (talk) 05:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip! I merged the articles and redirected A.K. Khondakar to A. K. Khondakar per naming conventions. I couldn't change the name to Khandker though, because I couldn't find a source to verify the name - instead, I found a news article that used the Khandakar name. --JaGa^talk 15:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JaGa

I may be able to help you with the verification of the spelling. Please see http://www.sectorcommandersforum.org/ which has his surname spelt out correctly. Different newspapers seem to be using different spellings. Hope this assists.

RR79 (talk) 14:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've convinced me. I moved the page to A. K. Khandker and added some refs as well. --JaGa^talk 16:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was born Johan Fridolf Johansson but later use the name Jan Fridegård. Actually i don't really know if it's just a pseudonym or if he changed it, and i don't find any good sources for it right now, but it should be noted in the article then. You can see for example here (in swedish) about his birthname. --Skizzik ^talk 22:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll ref the page with it - people can always use Google translate like I did. --JaGa^talk 23:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual_reality and 3d_display now link to 3d_solar you can remove the tag if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.64.186 (talk) 08:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --JaGa^talk 15:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

that wasnt me on the marion article.

i took dave mirra and ryan nyquist off the "ppl from gville" section because they arent from there, they just currently reside there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.242.225.250 (talk) 21:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! That warning doesn't apply to you - the IP must have been assigned to a different person when the Marion vandalism took place. You can delete the warning message if you like. --JaGa^talk 22:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I just noticed your exciting post about your new Toolserver tool for disambiguation pages with links, I like it :-). Thinking about the problem from the other direction, would it be possible to input an article title, say Frog, and output how many links to disambiguation pages are in the article & list the links that need to be fixed.

And even create a list of articles with the most links to disambiguation page.

I have had this idea for a while, but I don't know the best place to request it, maybe it even exists already.--Commander Keane (talk) 11:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea - implementation could be tough, though. I'll investigate. Thanks for the idea! --JaGa^talk 15:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The more I think about this, the more I realize what a great idea this is. I'll try to put something together - I think it's possible, but I don't want to make promises until I get under the hood. --JaGa^talk 15:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry I will not get excited, the last time I suggested a disambiguation tool for the Toolserver a developer made it for me and then the toolserver died for about 1 year :-( Thinking about it, a list of articles with the most links is probably impossible due to the number of requests (with >2 million articles). But perhaps the tool could regularly (one a day/week etc) sample 10000 random pages and list the top 50 with the most disambiguation links. Anyway, thank you for listening to my idea, at least I know I am not crazy as you agree with me :-) --Commander Keane (talk) 02:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		For your amazing contribution to WikiProject Orphanage in the form of Lonelypages, Untagged Orphans, and Adopted Orphans. Aervanath (talk) 05:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		Because one barnstar just wasn't enough. With sincere appreciation, Aervanath (talk) 05:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I could ask you a favor, please let me know if you make any changes to the formatting or content of your "Disambiguation pages with links" toolserver tool. I've modified my bot to read from it, but the bot assumes that the page will be formatted as it now is, so if there are any changes, I need to update the bot as well. Right now, the bot is expecting to read about 5500 pages with 50 or more links, but you changed the tool so it now will try to swallow over 130,000 pages with 1 or more links; I suspect this will cause the WP:DPM update tomorrow to fail. Easy enough to fix if I had known about it, but the bot runs on a machine at work and I won't be able to fix the script over the weekend. The same kind of issue could arise if you changed the HTML format of the output. Thanks for doing this tool -- it's great, and I don't mean to sound critical at all, I just want to make sure I keep in synch with what you are doing. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that. I didn't know you'd adapted your bot to use it. --JaGa^talk 16:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

for your kind words, and especially for your work putting together those numbers. I'm glad you liked the article.--ragesoss (talk) 06:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion nominations should explain why you feel the article doesn't meet the guideline or policy cited. Please expand your reasoning for this AFD.- Mgm|^(talk) 12:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Can you please explain to me in simple terms what I must do to clean up the article Enda Caldwell ? in order to remove it's nomination for deletion? I am truly an Irish Radio Personality from Co.Meath as the article says. Also I was trying to find better examples of media references to myself on various websites and newspaper articles. I do not know how to verify a source. Please help me as I really would not like to have the article deleted as I have spent a lot of time and energy in trying to make the article as fair and balanced as possible for Wikipedia. Please feel free to make changes and / or edits necessary or tell me what to remove that is offending?

Thanks, Enda Caldwell --Enda Caldwell (talk) 17:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For both posts - look at WP:ENTERTAINER under WP:BIO. I don't feel that most radio personalities are going to pass this guideline. --JaGa^talk 17:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JaGa. Would it be possible to use your tool also for other language wikipedias? --Leyo 14:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just to make sure you have noticed my last reply on my talk page… --Leyo 22:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding File:Electronic Amplifier Efficiency Switch 1.GIF and others. You want me to speedy the wikipedia pages because the SVG tag was erroneously placed here rather than on commons, correct? Protonk (talk) 22:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Especially since we don't use the image here in EN wiki. Any suggestions how best to word that? I come across these kinds of images fairly frequently. --JaGa^talk 23:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would just make a boilerplate statement like "this image isn't hosted or used on en-wp, but these tags have been erroneously applied here (rather than at commons). Please delete this image in order to avoid possible file corruption." or something like that. You can still speedy them as G6's but adding that will help those of us who are moving through the deletion queue. Protonk (talk) 03:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I recently read the Signpost article that referenced your work in finding the number of orphaned articles. First, I must say that that is very impressive. Second, I have two questions:

1. How did you find this out? I don't believe it said how in the article, and it seems quite interesting.
2. Would it be possible to get a bot to go and tag all these articles? If yes, I'll post on WP:BOTREQ.

Thank you, ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 02:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much for the comment, Erik. The information was really a byproduct of my daily orphan-analysis on the toolserver, which is based largely on the code by User Mashiah on the RU wiki. I take a list of all mainspace articles and join it with the pagelinks table (which holds a row for every single link between two pages), and do count queries on the results. It's actually more complicated than that, but that's the idea in a nutshell.

Regarding the bot, I've created a page specifically for bots wanting to tag orphans, and am looking for a user. It takes 5000 untagged orphans, double checks their status on command, and generates a bot-friendly list. So the bot is guaranteed an up-to-date list of orphans as soon as they trigger a "regeneration". I've approached User:Addshore about using his Addbot on it, and he's shown interest, but I don't think there'd be anything wrong with you posting a bot request. Frankly, I'd be thrilled if someone would start using the bot page. --JaGa^talk 02:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your toolserver Lonelypages report lists subpages that are transcluded into a main page. For an example, it lists Mexican general election, 2006/Graph & Mexican general election, 2006/Graph 2 (they're entries 56013 & 56014 at the moment) which are both graphs in the Mexican general election, 2006 page. I don't believe such subpages should be listed as orphans. Especially since most taggers don't pay attention to the transclusion and don't encase the tag in a <noinclude> statement so the orphan tag gets transcluded on the main page.

Is it possible to not list pages that contain a "/" and are transcluded?

One could argue whether people should be doing it that way, but that's a different issue. Given that people do it, I think we need to handle it.

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent suggestion. I've implemented a solution, which removed about 2500 articles from the orphan lists (mostly "List of asteroid/..." transclusions), so we've avoided a lot of future hassle at little cost. But yeah, that /Graph subpage should be in the template namespace! --JaGa^talk 22:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Transcluded articles are still an issue. It turns out there are many without slashes as well. See this discussion for more details. Can you excluded all transcluded articles? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done - at least for bot-tagged pages. I detailed my changes on Addshore's page. --JaGa^talk 12:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! There's a message on my talk page that was meant for you: User talk:Dekimasu#Dismbig finding tool. Dekimasuよ! 01:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not specifically sure myself, will have to do a little bit more digging. Something like how the MW API formats it would be fine - [1]. You can even use the MW XML file to simplify it for you.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<api>
  <query-continue>
    <allpages apfrom="B&amp;BH" />
  </query-continue>
  <query>
    <allpages>
      <p pageid="3783" ns="0" title="B" />
      <p pageid="4340988" ns="0" title="B! Machine" />
      <p pageid="7757638" ns="0" title="B! Machine5" />
      <p pageid="14281046" ns="0" title="B&quot;" />
      <p pageid="17474819" ns="0" title="B&quot;H" />
      <p pageid="16062794" ns="0" title="B$" />
      <p pageid="1991240" ns="0" title="B&amp;A" />
      <p pageid="18618744" ns="0" title="B&amp;ALR" />
      <p pageid="334938" ns="0" title="B&amp;B" />
      <p pageid="18466297" ns="0" title="B&amp;B: Bella y Bestia" />
    </allpages>
  </query>
</api>

So

<pages>
  <p title="B" />
  <p title="B! Machine />
</pages>

would more than suffice. Thanks! —Reedy 15:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the AWB WP:TypoScan project, we actually borrow a PHP script from the mediawiki repository to deal with the xml parsing - [2]

		case 'displayarticles':
			header("Content-type: text/xml; charset=utf-8"); 
		
			$wiki = @$_GET['wiki'];
			if ($wiki != 'en.wikipedia.org') ReturnError('This project is not supported', 'project');

			$query = 'SELECT articleid, title FROM articles WHERE (checkedout < DATE_SUB(NOW(), INTERVAL 3 HOUR)) AND (userid = 0) LIMIT 100';
			
			$result=mysql_query($query) or die ('Error: '.mysql_error());
			
			$xml_output  = Xml::XmlHeader() . "\n";

			$array = array();

			$xml_output .= Xml::openElement('articles');
			while($row = mysql_fetch_assoc($result))
			{
				$array[] = $row['articleid'];
				$therow = $row['title'];
				$xml_output .= "\t" . Xml::element('article', array('id' => $row['articleid']), $therow);
			}
			$xml_output .= Xml::closeElement('articles');
			
			$query = 'UPDATE articles SET checkedout = NOW() WHERE articleid IN (' . implode(",", $array) . ')';
			$result=mysql_query($query) or die ('Error: '.mysql_error());
			
			echo $xml_output; 
			break;

It basically does XML parsing and building for us, so we dont need to worry about escaping things (spaces are fine, for example, as the text would be within quotes). Redirects are fine served as is, (ie no attribute needed for them), however, if you wanted to include a redirect="" or similar if it was a redirect, that would be alright, and give us something to use if requested later (although, i suspect, most users would want all links redirect or not). Probably keeping it as one file, with something like &format=xml makes more sense to me. —Reedy 13:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<?xml version="1.0"?>

Great, thanks. I will look at getting this into use (need to work out exactly how, as per the users request). One minor thing, could you add the text above to the top of the page, before the actual XML? It just then means that browsers such as FF will render it and such. Thanks! —Reedy 21:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I put that in. I also put a "Content-Type: text/xml, charset=utf-8" header in, which made Firefox happy. IE forces you to download. Is that a problem? --JaGa^talk 22:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JaGa,

It appears your bot deleted an image I posted claiming that it was a scaled down version of another image. However, it didn't tell me where the larger image is located, which is a little bit frustrating because I can't remember. Could you look that up and let me know? (See my talk page for detail) Thanks! --Davidkazuhiro (talk) 05:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding it =). Yeah I agree, it's weird they didn't include it. I find the message as a whole to be quite ugly actually. Do you know where the template is? --Davidkazuhiro (talk) 06:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's {{Db-redundantimage-notice}}. --JaGa^talk 06:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JaGa,

Thanks for taking a look at the Law Offices of Sam Bernstein page. It is my first, so editorial help is always welcome. Wondered if you could help clarify how to update the notability of the page. Your note indicated a need for secondary sources to show interest in the subject. I have used a variety of Michigan newspapers as references, but wonder if I need to show more. For instance, much of the information included in the page was covered by several newspapers over several months. How should I incorporate that?

Your help is most valuable. Docket42 (talk) 16:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)Docket42[reply]

The article is well-written, I'm just not certain the cases are truly notable - they don't seem to be major precedents or anything like that. Could you find references to the court cases in nationally published law reviews? Or non-regional news coverage of the firm? --JaGa^talk 19:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This has been sound advice. I have had a difficult time accessing law journals to support the cases represented, but I have found other sources outside of Michigan that speak to the cases included in the article, including the New York Times, CNN, USA Today and various Wisconsin media as recently as today (2/17/09). --Docket42 (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just like to say my Lonely Pages bot is now back up and running (thanks to your toolserver generated pages). If you take a look at the contribs of User:Addbot you should see how well it is working already :). Thanks and if you want to reply to this please do so on my talk page. ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 12:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yee :) And also where is the text version of your "Adopted orphans" page and the update link for it? :P, I will try to add something for that also. ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 13:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering, Could you make a similar page for my bot for un-categorized pages? (without tags)? Then my bot can work on them also :). (reply on my talk page pleasey) =] ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 16:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey again, any chance you can take a look at this question as I don't acctually know the answer =] ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 21:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BRFA now re filled for my bot per request here Feel free to comment. ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 09:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, Is there any chance you can just check to make sure the list that my bot would be reading from (the txt list) is only 0 linked orphans? If so I think I can get this BRFA shifted. Maybe have options in the referesh url? "?count=5000&link=0" or something. Thanks again ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 08:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bot running again, please do not change the page the bot reads from to anything other than 0 links in :). There ares still plenty for it to tag at this stage. Managed to do anything on a similar list for pages with no cats and no uncat tag? Would be awesome if you could create an easy bot readable page for every type of maintenance .e.g.

• A page has no links coming off of it and no wikify tag
• Orphan as we have it
• A page has no cats and no uncat tag on it
• A page is short enough to be a stub yet it has no stub tag on it
• A page is long enough not to be a stub but still has a stub tag on it
• e.t.c :) ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 17:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey JaGa. Please take a look at User_talk:Addshore#Addbot.27s_orphan_tags_on_court_pages. Thanks should just be a small change in what the bot ignore and should hopefully be able to be done :). ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 08:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is another question for you. link ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 17:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey again, Just a little bug been found in the orphan list my bot uses, see User_talk:Addshore#History_of_Blackpool_F.C.. For some reason the list seems to be adding it even though it has the dablink template on it. Get back to me ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 18:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and thanks for helping me answer questions on my talk page :). ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 20:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm this section is getting long, might start a new one soon. Do the lists skip pages that contain [[Category:Disambiguation pages]]? Please see User_talk:Addshore#Taniwharau ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 21:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It skips all articles in Category:All disambiguation pages, which all pages with disambig templates ({{disambig}} etc.) are automatically a member of. --JaGa^talk 23:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for spamming your page but should the list be showing subpages? I promise I will start a new section with the next message :) ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 21:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it should, I just haven't got around to taking it out yet. It's been useful to me so I can find what /-in-the-title orphans Addbot has skipped over, and add the orphan template myself when appropriate. For the article namespace, the database registers zero difference between a legitimate subpage like Russian_apartment_bombings/Temp and a regular page that happens to have a slash in the title, like The Gardeners of America/Men's Garden Clubs of America. --JaGa^talk 23:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Couple of notes - (1) By all means, spam away! I want this to be robust and well-understood (2) I'm going to be out of town for the weekend, but should still be able to check up on goings on from time to time. --JaGa^talk 23:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick side-note, you probably know this already, but there are no subpages in article space. So both of those pages are just pages with a slash in the name. (Obviousley the /temp one was intended as a draft - but such drafts belong in talk space.) (See Wikipedia:Subpages - allowed uses number 7 vs. disallowed uses number 2, and articles don't have subpages) Zodon (talk) 07:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. People were complaining, so I decided to take slash-in-the-title articles out of the script Addbot is using, and leave them in Lonelypages, to remove manually. Really, people shouldn't be creating these "subpages", but it was easier to accommodate than argue. --JaGa^talk 07:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What bug are you referring to? seresin ( ¡? )  07:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bug 17276 in Bugzilla. --JaGa^talk 08:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. seresin ( ¡? )  08:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. You recently added Ystwyth, Ceredigion, to Ystwyth. I've not heard of this location. Maybe you mean this instead? TTFN. ~Geaugagrrl ^talk 09:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good. I was trying to fix an errant link in {{Ceredigion}}. It has links for both Ysbyty Ystwyth and plain Ystwyth. So there's only the one village? --JaGa^talk 09:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and no. There is no Ystwyth there is also Cwm Ystwyth. I have re-directed the diambig to Ysbyty Ystwyth and will delete the template reference to Ystwyth if nobody dissents Velela (talk) 13:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Splendid. :-) ~Geaugagrrl ^talk 18:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No dissent here. Thanks for straightening things out. --JaGa^talk 18:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...for cleaning up lots of those redirect errors; at least you didn't get the grief I did for starting the cleanup. Cheers, Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JaGa, I got your e-mail. I think that you are right in that there needs to be a wider discussion of the role of orphans on Wikipedia. I was one of the more active editors at WP:O last year, but yes, I am sort of moving on. However, I am still interested in the project, and I do think it's important, and certainly one of the more underappreciated projects. Also, it's one of the least active; one of my earliest edits to the WP:O page was removing an inactive tag that someone added. I'm glad you and Zodon have started becoming active there.

I would say the best course is to open a formal RFC, either on WT:O or on a subpage, and post announcements on the Village Pump and WP:CENT. I think it should be a pretty open-ended RFC. Basically, we should be asking several questions:

1. What is an orphan?
2. How important is it if an article is orphaned?
3. How important is it to place a tag on orphaned articles?

Those are the major points of contention right now, I think. Once those questions are answered, I think the role of Addshore's bot will be easier to establish. Given the controversy, maybe we should hold off on tagging by bot until the RFC is concluded.--Aervanath (talk) 07:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Of course, we may come up with something over at WP:O that pleases (virtually) everyone. I've adjusted Untagged orphans to only display zero-link orphans (counting lists as valid links as well), so he's only tagging indisputable orphans. --JaGa^talk 07:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I guess if we can come up with something locally on WT:O that settles people's objections, then that'd be easier to deal with than a community-wide RfC, unless it becomes a much bigger issue. At the current time, though, it does only seem to be a few people, so hopefully we can come to a sort of consensus on that small scale, put it into action, and see how far we can go with that.--Aervanath (talk) 13:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that if I edit one of the templates listed on http://toolserver.org/~jason/templates_with_dab_links.php, and then refresh that page, the template I edited disappears from the list (even if I didn't fix all the disambig page links on it). Is this a bug? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if not a bug, definitely a weakness. I wanted to make sure that when people went to the page, they only got templates that haven't been worked on yet. My solution is to tell the page not to display any template that has been edited since the last update. So, if you fix a single DAB and refresh, the template will disappear. But, it will reappear the next day after my template script runs again. --JaGa^talk 18:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You could do like Special:BrokenRedirects and strike through the edited templates, instead of disappearing them. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check it out. Right now, the Orphanage is more or less on fire, so I've got to focus on that. Thanks for the suggestion! --JaGa^talk 23:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing: today, the list is showing {{Ethnic and social groups of the Punjab}} containing a link to disambig page Hashemi -- but Hashemi is not a disambig page and has not been edited in the past month. Probably you are incorrectly picking up {{surname}} as indicating a disambig. It is recommended that you use Mediawiki:Disambiguationspage as the definitive list of templates used on disambig pages. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Would you like to attempt an RfA in the near future? I could nominate you if you want. -- Mentifisto 20:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thanks for that. I do very much want to be an admin, but I don't want to subject myself the pummeling frequently handed out by RfA right now. I need more time. Thanks, though. --JaGa^talk 04:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probable bug in the list here, Morgan (given name) still shows up here even though it has an orphan tag. ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 16:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I gave it a null edit - we'll see if it reappears tomorrow. --JaGa^talk 17:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok :) As you can tell my bot is now really done with that :P It will continue to run though to clean up any new articles and stuff. Hows the uncat list coming along? ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 17:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good. I've been testing it, and want to tweak it a bit. I'll probably release it tonight. Here's one issue - it would designate an article that has a redlink category as uncategorized. I've tagged some as such myself an haven't heard any complaints yet. What do you think? --JaGa^talk 18:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ill go ask the Uncat project people :) ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 19:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Categories/uncategorized#Red_Cats ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 19:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, JaGa. You have new messages at Addshore's talk page.
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Can we make a simple exception for Spezial:Beobachtungsliste ?. See the last section on my talk page. It should technicaly be out of the article space but the Spezial(gemran) namespace doesnt exist. ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 15:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see User_talk:Addshore#Incorrect_orphan_tags ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 11:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

*pokes the link above* ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 07:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JaGa. I had been meaning to ask about the possibility of making the lonelypages tool list articles that don't have a project assigned. I was thinking that if the lonelypages template becomes popular with WikiProjects, then an obvious place for the orphanage to focus would be on pages that don't have any project assigned. (Of course it might also be useful to those interested in assigning project tags, etc.)

It looks like you may already have done something similar with untagged_uncategorized, although what I was thinking was untagged, whether categorized or not [thought might be able to apply the untagged filtering to the lonelpages tool].

I'm not sure. Perhaps if the orphan's talk page doesn't have any template links we could infer it? That would probably miss a lot of articles, though...

Also, is there a way to tell the lonelypages tool that you want all articles in subcategories of a category (to a certain depth, e.g.)? Thank you. Zodon (talk) 07:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried the subcat thing before. I'm sure it can be done, but I keep running into memory issues in PHP when recursing subcats. If I did do it, it'd have to be in a stored procedure, and it would be very slow. --JaGa^talk 08:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thought the subcat thing might be expensive, even with a depth limit. No big deal, just thought it might be handy sometimes, e.g. when I was trying to find if there were many orphans among the Category:Minor planets.

Don't quite understand what you said about pages with no project. What I had in mind was those pages that didn't have any WikiProject templates on talk page. (Which would be approximately the complement of the set of all articles you could get using lonelypages|project=something or other )

Just pages without talk pages, or pages with talk pages with no templates would give a substantial subset.

Is the problem with identifying which templates on the talk page are WikiProjects? (There certainly are a fair number of those Category:WikiProject banners, especially if you include all the redirects to those banners). Although one might want to ignore non-topic related WikiProject templates.

Are there other ways of assigning WikiProject-ness?

Anyway, just a suggestion to consider sometime if it isn't too difficult. Thanks. Zodon (talk) 03:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ideas. Articles with no talk pages/no template links on their talk pages would be easy enough. And maybe there's some categories we could use to build a list of project templates. Let's keep this on the back burner (but remember to come back to it later because it's a fine idea) until we get the project on track. --JaGa^talk 09:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like your dab tools on the toolserver are detecting set index articles as dab pages. While this is technically true, set index articles are intended to be another form of list article, so it should be acceptable to link them. Since WP:DPL is using your tools to do their cleanups, it would probably be a good idea to either remove SIAs from your tools, or exclude them by default and provide an option to include them. As an example, Kid Flash is a SIA and shows up on your lists and there have already been one removal of the link from {{Flash}} since the article was changed to a SIA. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 16:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable. I'll bounce it off the DAB people. --JaGa^talk 22:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Kid Flash is out of my toolserver reports. --JaGa^talk 05:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know that I sometimes can seem as a very unpleasant individual to deal with, but that only happens when I am truly passionate about a topic. That's one of my vices I recognize and try to keep in check. Please accept this note as my sincere assurance that I meant no disrespect nor was accusing the participants of the SIA debate on WT:DPL of any ill will towards either me in particular or to WP:RUSSIA in general. I also added a note to that effect to the actual discussion. Please accept my apologies for not communicating my previous frustrations with certain members of WP:DISAMBIG community more clearly. That was a long post, and I guess I got a bit tired by the time I was finishing writing it :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:26, February 27, 2009 (UTC)

No worries - by the contrary I was happy with the civility of your post. I was worried, though, that people could react defensively to the "holiest" bit, and we'd be in danger of losing focus, so I thought I'd post to reaffirm that we're all on the same team here. Thanks much for the message. --JaGa^talk 22:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

JaGa:

You recently tagged

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gardeners_of_America/Men%27s_Garden_Clubs_of_America

as an "orphan". I posted this article about this national organization, and am a member. Can you explain why a comprehensive and self contained article about an organization must have links from other Wikipedia articles? Given all of the Categories assigned to it, there are obviously several Wikipedia index links to the article.

Are orphan articles eventually removed from Wikipedia?

Thanks,

--Lou (talk) 00:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lou, thanks for the message. Being an orphan is not a qualification for removal from Wikipedia. It's just a marker to let other editors know we need to link articles to this one if possible. As it stands, we only place the tag on articles with zero links, so I found one (Leon C. Snyder, you may want to double check that I got it right) and removed the tag. --JaGa^talk 01:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

JaGa: Nice try, but Garden Club of America cited in Leon C. Snyder is a different organization from The Gardeners of America/Men's Garden Clubs of America, and there is no article on it in Wikipedia that I could find. If you click on the link in the article you cited, it goes nowhere. But my original question still stands: Why should any other article in Wikipedia necessarily link to a subject with such a narrow focus? It seems to me that comprehensive links provided by Categories are sufficient. I find "orphan" a negative label that suggests "no one really cares about this article, but here it is anyway". Is this a matter I should bring to the attention of Wikipedia's policy folks for discussion? Thanks for your attention, Lou (talk) 16:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The orphan tag has been a part of Wikipedia for a long time. If an article is isolated and can't be reached via links from other articles, it's unlikely to be seen. To improve an article's visibility, we label articles that aren't part of the web so other editors can link them and make them more accessible. Are you certain it's impossible to link your article from even one other article? --JaGa^talk 19:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Leon C. Snyder, are you looking at awards and recognitions? It mentions both "The Men's Garden Clubs of America" and "Garden Club of America". --JaGa^talk 19:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Darn! You are absolutely right about the Snyder citation. Sorry. Regarding linking another article to mine, that isn't out of the question, but it would be forced instead of natural on my part. I'll contact the national organization and see what they say. If they suggest something that makes sense to me, then I'll do that. Thanks, Lou (talk) 15:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have you noticed problems with your toolserver pages? The list wasn't updated yesterday (I remember noticing "This list is updated once daily; the last update was 28 hours ago.") and now the table is missing: "Database error: Table 'u_jason.dab_link_count' doesn't exist." I've been using the list almost every day, and it's been a great help, so I hope everything is all right. Dekimasuよ! 05:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They changed out the hardware on the toolserver, and now the scripts aren't working correctly. I'm trying to figure out how to work around whatever bug was introduced with the new hardware. --JaGa^talk 17:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I was exploring the documentation of other projects, statistics, etc. Came across this page Wikipedia:Phony orphans. As far as I can tell it is totally out of date, and assume with the new tools it will probably become pretty boring. But thought you might be interested if weren't already aware of it. Zodon (talk) 06:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey again :). Can you take a look at User_talk:Addshore#Pulpit_Rock_.28The_Dalles.2C_Oregon.29, somehow the artile in question has been showing up on your lists. ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 20:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking into it. The toolserver switched database servers, and subsequently deleted all of the tables in my userspace, causing the list update to fail and causing Addbot to get stale data. Normally, this wouldn't be a problem, because my scripts should have re-generated the tables long ago, BUT there's also a newly-introduced bug where my scripts now cause replication lag on the toolserver, so script execution is getting killed before it can re-create the tables. So Addbot should probably not query my stuff until I can get this straightened out. Also, I've blanked the lists and will add error-checking to make sure this "stale list" scenario can't happen again. --JaGa^talk 21:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

k, thanks for the reply. Please drop me a message when and if the lists come back online 100% :) ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 21:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another thought of a possibly useful filter for lonelypages - stub status (yes/no/either).

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-08-11/Growth study suggested that links from regular articles to stubs may be of different importance. (Not suggesting tracking source of links, but
• Members of other maintenance projects, like stub sorting or WP:WikiProject Integration might prefer to look at just stubs (or just non-stubs).
• Those who are concerned about the orphan template overwhelming stubs might want to focus on deorphaning stubs first.
• Non-stub articles might be easier to deorphan (more context provided).

Stub status could be determined by presence of one or more stub templates or being in a stub class. Currently one could do some of this using the stub categories or project class assignment, but that won't get you non-stubs, and have to deal with each stub type class separately.

Again nothing urgent, but might be handy if it isn't difficult to add some day.

A side question - is this a good place to suggest ideas for lonelypages? Would you prefer suggestions elsewhere? Zodon (talk) 20:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cool page! Thanks!

I've been scratching my head on how to get this list into AWB for tagging, and Reedy suggested if you could make an XML formatted page it would be easy. Is this possible? Do you have another suggestion? TIA!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you like it! I'm not sure about how to make the XML page, but I do a lot of AWB tagging for some of my other pages, for instance Untagged Uncats - a list of uncategorized articles without tags. For that page, you click "Regenerate" to get the up-to-the-minute list, and then download the list, which can be loaded into AWB via Make list Source: Text File. I'll add this functionality to Deadend pages. --JaGa^talk 17:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would be fabulous! I'll shove a plate of chocolate chip cookies into my USB port -- you should have them soon. :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 18:03, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, all done. I also made it an "untagged only" page, since that's really what people are going to want. Try it out, let me know how it goes! --JaGa^talk 19:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! I'm starting to work through the list as I type. --Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Russ, of RussBot fame, pointed me your way regarding a question I had about some new toolserver reports that I'm finding very interesting. Most specifically, I was wondering about the Articles with the most links to disambiguation pages report. It's great, but when similar reports used to be actual Wikipedia space pages, you could move entries around or make notes to indicate that the incoming links are actually correct. For example, List of named tropical cyclones is currently the top rank on that report, but I think the very nature of that list means that it should be full of dab pages — those names get reused regularly. However, there's no way that I can see to leave a note about that for other people who might be trying to clean articles that are in the report.
There may not be a lot of situations like this, but there will definitely be some. I was wondering if there is any kind of invisible comment that can be added to the article in these situations so that the report doesn't include it, or if you have any other thoughts about how it might be possible to handle this situation? Mlaffs (talk) 01:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You touch on something that's always bothered me about that page as well - it doesn't get interesting until you've passed the first 50 or so. That script does not read article text, so an invisible comment wouldn't work - but a hidden category or template would. What would you think about doing something like that? --JaGa^talk 02:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You mean something like, Category:Articles with intentional links to disambiguation pages? Yeah, that's a reasonably elegant solution — I think I'd lean toward category over template, but I don't know why. Do you know how to create a hidden category? Mlaffs (talk) 02:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, check out Wikipedia:Categorization#Hiding categories. You just add {{hiddencat}} to the category page. If you want to create a category, I'll filter for it. (But maybe shorten the name - like "Articles with intentional disambig links" or something like that.) --JaGa^talk 03:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles with intentional disambig links it is, and done! I'll add it to the cyclones article so that you'll have a test case when you create the filter. Mlaffs (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I've implemented the changes on my side as well. I incorporated the filter into the script, so articles marked with your new category won't drop out until the next day, after the nightly run. Also, I should note - I don't normally give people such easy control over the content of the generated lists, and if it gets abused (I'm not worried about you, but others), I'll be forced to remove the filter. That aside, I hope you are fairly liberal with your list-cleansing. It's always great to see this stuff I've put together put to good use. :) --JaGa^talk 06:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, and keep up the great work with these — I think it's a fantastic evolution to the amazing stuff that Russ has been doing. Beyond applying the category where appropriate as I get time, I'll also add it to my category watchlist so that I can monitor whether it's getting misapplied to any articles. Mlaffs (talk) 13:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious, but why did you tag ARA Independencia as being an orphan? It is a disambiguation page, rather than an article. Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 04:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kralizec. That's due to some clarifications from the land of disambiguation. Set-index articles, along with surname and given-name articles, had been counted as disambigs, but apparently should not. See:

• #SIAs and Dab lists on Toolserver
• Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#Should we count Set Indices as disambig pages?
• Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#Toolserver update and question
• Wikipedia:SETINDEX#Set index articles

When you look at more developed set-index articles like Kid Flash and given name articles like Alexander, it makes sense. --JaGa^talk 05:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]