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this image has no source if it is copyrighted or exists anywhere online for free usage here on Commons. There is also no source to verify the uploader's story that Afghanistan's airplane was shot down by Pakistanis and this piece of plane shown is displayed as victory, never heard of any Afghan plane being shot down by Pakistanis in the past. However, I know of the fact that many of Afghanistan's military planes were secretly taken to Pakistan, either sold by Afghan warlords or stolen by Mujahideen rebels.--Executioner 17:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The complainant is incorrect--at least according to what they told me. From an official Pakistani AF history [1] : During the Afghan war in the eighties PAF had to keep a constant vigil on its western border. Despite the fact that PAF was not allowed hot pursuit into Afghanistan, the pilots and the ground controllers together managed to shoot down eight Soviet/Afghan aircraft without a single own loss.account owner

Do not say I am incorrect if you are not sure. Pakistan's sources are full of propagandas, especially towards Afghanistan. I mean look at how they wrote this sentence Despite the fact that PAF was not allowed "hot pursuit into Afghanistan", lol, just imagine what would have happened if any Pakistani plane entered Afghanistan at the time when Soviet Union was in Afghanistan? The person who wrote that report obviously has no idea how powerful Soviet Air Force was. Anyway, Pakistan and Afghanistan are rivals, this is very clear. Provide to us that this piece of a plane is in fact of Soviet/Afghan and that it was in fact shot down in Pakistan by Pakistan's Air Force. I also want to see Afghanistan's or former Soviet Union source to confirm that all those Soviet/Afghan planes were really shot down in Pakistan by Pakistan's Air Force. You may trust or believe Pakistan's government but we Afghans do not trust Pakistan's government, unless if we can verify their story through a 3rd party. Do you need me to show you sources that many of Afghanistan's airplanes were secretly taken to Pakistan, which are still there in Pakistan and Afghanistan's government is trying to get them back?--Executioner 17:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still assuming the wing we saw was not some random piece of metal they had painted up for us tourists. e.g.: [2], [3], etc. thx, ^{account owner}

You seems to be not understanding me, I didn't suggest that the piece of a wing was painted to make it look official. I said the piece of the wing may have been taken from inside Afghanistan to Pakistan, the Pakistanis in Pakistan then decided to make a false claim that the plane, which the wing belonged to, was shot down inside Pakistan by Pakistani Air Force. Spreading such propaganda is something they are very good at, especially at a time when Afghanistan was being destroyed and unable to defend itself against false accusations by foreign governments. You have a story that cannot be verified, and I ask for you to think as a nuetral editor since you are indicating to me as being a foreigner or tourist to Pakistan, but then your actions on pushing the claim of Soviet/Afghan plane being shot down in Pakistan without any trustful or verifiable source makes you a person who is only holding on to Pakistan's side. The only thing you rely on is what "they" told you. You didn't even bother to explain who are "they"? the spirits or ghosts? people on the streets?...--Executioner 15:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

?? As I've mentioned elsewhere this part was on display in Risalpur. There were a few static displays there at the flight academy and this one looked interesting.

Your question piqued my interested and I actually found a painting of the plane in question being intercepted: [4]. The painter is credited as PAF Squadron Leader Syed Masood Akhtar Hussaini, and the artwork depicts the Sukhoi aircraft being destroyed by a General Dynamics F-16A Fighting Falcon.

The most comprehesive online overview of aerial combat in the Afghan War I have seen is this one: [5] . It seems quite even-handed and doesn't just rely on official PAF pronouncements. Hope it is of some help to everybody. thx, ^{account owner}

Deleted, mischievious mistitling and mislicincing by Easyplex as some sort of personal joke. No reason to think anything else "account owner" says is any more accurate. -- Infrogmation 13:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hm? Well do what you want... this file was not meant to favour any side in any political conflict and I still think the aforementioned sources are not wildly biased in favour of the PAF. thx, ^{account owner}

Deleted: . Krd 21:16, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]